And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
Medium fish in a small pond. She's a good player but not at BF level IMO. Is doing well in Oz but that is an indication of the quality level of those teams. She doesn't even stand out much at FPC here. Aupiki would be her ceiling without further development. Good on her though if she has the option and it could provide that development.
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
This is the kind of player who shores up the quality of NZ's domestic rugby. She's not at BF level but she shores up the next level down. If NZ keeps losing these kinds of players overseas, the quality between BF and the rest drops significantly. It eventually attacks the foundations on which the top team (the BF) relies upon. I'd argue this is one of the main problems for NZ rugby in recent years with the relative decline of the All Blacks after years of the "next tier down" players heading off overseas. The overall quality of NZ's domestic rugby scene sinks and white-ants the quality of players coming into the top team. Eventually, the top team declines.
My solution? Ring-fence the Australian competition into the NZ competition. Establish a draft. I think women's rugby has an opportunity to do something different to the men's game. I cannot imagine the NZRU ever agreeing to a draft for men's rugby but I reckon they can test the concept in the women's game. Ultimately, the aim is to try and improve the product across Australia and NZ to ward off NRLW and England/France/US/Japan becoming the destinations of choice for our female rugby players.
Comp later this year is confirmed
@Auckman said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
This is the kind of player who shores up the quality of NZ's domestic rugby. She's not at BF level but she shores up the next level down. If NZ keeps losing these kinds of players overseas, the quality between BF and the rest drops significantly. It eventually attacks the foundations on which the top team (the BF) relies upon. I'd argue this is one of the main problems for NZ rugby in recent years with the relative decline of the All Blacks after years of the "next tier down" players heading off overseas. The overall quality of NZ's domestic rugby scene sinks and white-ants the quality of players coming into the top team. Eventually, the top team declines.
My solution? Ring-fence the Australian competition into the NZ competition. Establish a draft. I think women's rugby has an opportunity to do something different to the men's game. I cannot imagine the NZRU ever agreeing to a draft for men's rugby but I reckon they can test the concept in the women's game. Ultimately, the aim is to try and improve the product across Australia and NZ to ward off NRLW and England/France/US/Japan becoming the destinations of choice for our female rugby players.
It's not going to work because.....Australia
Even then, with Oz parentage she would end up playing for them.
I get that you are talking about keeping a quality level high but we could also do that by franchising a comp with Japan/US/Canada. If Oz want to enter a couple of teams and use their current comp as a qualifier that would be great.
I am just guessing that they believe they have a good internal product at the right level already and joining with us would either dilute their numbers (by have too many kiwis playing in it) or lead to a lopsided table (like SRP)
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I am sure there will be others making the move to earn some money.
@Crucial - yeah Iâve changed my mind on this. After watching the SRW final and a few other matches, the kiwi teams would demolish them if they joined up next year. Might be better to do it the following year in 2025 when Australia aim to have full-time Wallaroos contracts in place.
Next year the SRA needs to be expanded to at least home & away rounds and I still think a fifth team is doable.
@Auckman 5th team only doable if players are willing to re-base themselves. Considering the $ paid many still have to hold day jobs.
If you took this year's squads and joined up some Reserves and non-players you'd have an OK side but not one of similar quality to the others. Spread the talent around too much and you may as well stick to FPC. This year's sides were propped up by League players
If the money was better you would get some travelling players back eg those that go to Japan.
I think that better option would be to include a side from Japan that includes some kiwi and Fiji players and maybe a Baabaas team from OZ/US/Canadian players
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Whatâs with the paywalled Ruby Tui stories in the Ferald?
Any substance or just a bit of stirring?
Headlines imply a falling out between her and NZR
She wanted a rainbow flag on her weetbix card. NZR said too hard. Sanitarium owners probably not keen either.
Donât see what the big deal is. She wanted a rainbow flag on her card. Not every card. She wasnât forcing every card to have one.
@Auckman What if Player B wanted a Christian Cross, and player C a pink ribbon etc etc. It is not what she wanted but the fact that once you let one player do it, then they'll all want their own little bit. It is a corporate contract, not a vehicle for individuals to spread their beliefs and views. That they can do in their own time
@Machpants said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Auckman What if Player B wanted a Christian Cross, and player C a pink ribbon etc etc. It is not what she wanted but the fact that once you let one player do it, then they'll all want their own little bit. It is a corporate contract, not a vehicle for individuals to spread their beliefs and views. That they can do in their own time
Hardly comparing apples with apples.
Although with womenâs rugby there would be a fair few 
if they all had a choice.
That's why she got turned down, is a corporate contact. NZR pay the players for their image rights, and they have the right to withdraw from anything they want to. But you can't have players pushing their portfolios into that stuff, TFD. You're either in our out, don't like it, then take the (significant) pay cut
Not commenting on this issue specifically, but I've rather gone off Ruby.
Got a few too many tickets on herself.
Yes, she's marketable, but the game would go on without her.
Her ego is writing cheques her body can't cash ...
Edit: and yes, it may be tall poppy syndrome, but she walked away for (nearly) a year. Most of the other "super" stars stuck with it and delivered without grandstanding.
@booboo said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Machpants said in Black Ferns 2023:
TFD
TFD? Should that be TFB?
Too fucking difficult
@Machpants thanks
Thought "too fucking bad"... 
@booboo said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Machpants thanks
Thought "too fucking bad"...
You need more training in TLAs
@Machpants I'm old ...
@Machpants said in Black Ferns 2023:
Three Letter Abbreviations
Upvote for "Abbreviations" rather than "Acronyms".
@booboo said in Black Ferns 2023:
Not commenting on this issue specifically, but I've rather gone off Ruby.
Got a few too many tickets on herself.
Yes, she's marketable, but the game would go on without her.
Her ego is writing cheques her body can't cash ...
Edit: and yes, it may be tall poppy syndrome, but she walked away for (nearly) a year. Most of the other "super" stars stuck with it and delivered without grandstanding.
Deliberately grandstanding though. She is hugely passionate about promoting and growing the womenâs game and got an opportunity through her high profile to keep pushing after the RWC.
Not a decision that all would take but an unusual set of circumstances.
Coming to the end of her career
Was pursued by broadcaster to take part behind the microphone
Has done broadcasting courses in the past with a view to that being her post playing career.
Offered a chance to cash in before rejoining the BFs (plenty of the men do similar with sabbaticals)
Probably pushed a bit far in asking for the but she can ask, if she got pissy about the answer then thatâs not right.
I donât see it as ego. More created opportunities.
This rainbow thing is the only reported time that has indicated thoughts of being bigger than the norm. She may be outspoken but stays humble.
Playing wise sheâs better off in the US (others are going there too) than being on the lonely wing of an FPC side that struggles to get her ball. At least Sevens will sharpen her up again.
Bunting wants her in the squad and she needs to be there as the incumbent that the new players have to be better than.
@Crucial - I agree re: Ruby. Sheâs just probably sick of years of lip service from the NZRU and knew that âbusiness as usualâ just wouldnât cut it after the success of the World Cup. Sheâll retire in a few years and wouldâve kicked herself if she didnât use her huge profile and leverage to push the NZRU to grow the womenâs game. I understand part of her contract conditions was the expansion of Super Rugby Aupiki season and proper pay for Aupiki players. Thatâs not a person thatâs all about herself in my book. Anyway sheâll be back for the WXV1 later this year.
A few surprises.
Unavailable for selection due to injury: Awhina Tangen Wainohu (neck), Charmaine McMenamin (concussion), Hazel Tubic (knee), Layla Sae (ankle), Patricia Maliepo (foot), Santo Taumata (knee).
Unavailable for selection due to sabbatical: Ruby Tui.
Bugger about Santo but she has plenty of years in her yet. Great that Henwood has come through from being an Aupiki replacement and not in the BF radar until them.
Also, the OâReilly Cup game against Australia is Saturday 30 September, 4.35pm, FMG Stadium Waikato.
That means that Waikato vs Canterbury (NPC) is the curtain-raiser.
So the big winners are Esther Faiaoga-Tilo, Kelsey Teneti and Tenika Willison, who weren't part of the original wider training squad AFAIK.
The big losers are Ariana Bayler, Grace Steinmetz and Kelsie Thwaites (all contracted players).
Steinmetz picked up an injury before the Aupiki finals so that may have hampered her selection. Wing/Fullback selection is pretty ruthless with the BFs.
They all went to cam at the Sports centre in Upper Hutt and would have been put through lots of testing. Bunting likely to have scratched those not up to speed. I'm guessing he has high emphasis on fitness from his Sevens success.
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New Zealandâs brightest emerging womenâs rugby talent will have the chance to don the black jersey later this year with the Black Ferns XV set to play against Samoa.
The Black Ferns XV has been formed by New Zealand Rugby (NZR) to foster the professional growth of players, coaches and management on the international stage and provide a high-performance pathway to the Black Ferns.
The Black Ferns XVâs squad will be named in mid-September, ahead of their fixture against Samoa onSaturday September 23 at Navigation Homes Stadium in Pukekohe at 4.35pm. The fixture will be broadcast live on Sky Sport as part of a double header including the Bunnings NPC fixture between Counties Manukau and ManawatĆ« at 2.05pm.
MatatĆ«âs Head of Rugby Whitney Hansen will lead the Black Ferns XV, with Blues Assistant Coach, former Black Fern Linda Itunu and former Wallaroos Assistant Coach Peter Breen.
NZR Womenâs High Performance Manager Hannah Porter said the Black Ferns XV was an important part of the high-performance pathway.
âWe know for the continued success of our Black Ferns team we need to ensure we are developing and exposing a wider group of players to high-performance environments. The inclusion of the Black Ferns XV in our high-performance pathway, provides aspiring players and coaches the opportunity for continued growth, experience, and a chance to demonstrate their craft.
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Black Ferns coaches Allan Bunting, Steve Jackson, Mike Delany and Tony Christie have named their 30 player squad to compete at home in front of their Black Ferns fans for the final O'Reilly Cup Test and inagural WXV1 Tournament.
The Black Ferns team is (Age/Super Club/Province/Test caps):
Loosehead Props
Kate Henwood (34, Chiefs Manawa, Bay of Plenty, 2)
Krystal Murray (30, Hurricanes Poua, Northland, 10)
Chryss Viliko (20, Blues, Auckland, new cap)
Hookers
Georgia Ponsonby (23, Matatƫ, Canterbury, 16)
Luka Connor (26, Chiefs Manawa, Bay of Plenty, 16)
Natalie Delamere (26, Matatƫ, Bay of Plenty, 3)
Tighthead Props
Amy Rule (23, Matatƫ, Canterbury, 16)
Sophie Fisher (24, Blues, Auckland, new cap)
Tanya Kalounivale (24, Chiefs Manawa, Waikato, 8 )
Locks
Charmaine Smith (31, Chiefs Manawa, Northland, 27)
Chelsea Bremner (28, Chiefs Manawa, Canterbury, 15)
Maiakawanakaulani Roos (22, Blues, Auckland, 17)
Loose Forwards
Alana Bremner (26, Matatƫ, Canterbury, 15)
Kennedy Simon (26, Chiefs Manawa, Waikato, 16) â Co-Captain
Layla Sae (22, Hurricanes Poua, Manawatƫ, new cap)
Liana Mikaele Tu'u (21, Blues, Auckland, 14)
Lucy Jenkins (22, Matatƫ, Canterbury, 2)
Halfbacks
Ariana Bayler (26, Blues, Waikato, 7)
Arihiana Marino-Tauhinu (31, Chiefs Manawa, Counties Manukau, 15)
Iritana Hohaia (23, Hurricanes Poua, Taranaki, 3)
First Five-Eighths
Rosie Kelly (23, Matatƫ, Canterbury, new cap)
Ruahei Demant (28, Blues, Auckland, 29) â Co-Captain
Midfield
Amy du Plessis (24, Matatƫ, Canterbury, 10)
Logo-I-Pulotu Lemapu Atai'i (Sylvia) Brunt (19, Blues, Auckland, 9)
Patricia Maliepo (20, Blues, Auckland, 3)
Outside Backs
Katelyn Vahaakolo (23, Blues, Auckland, 2)
Martha Mataele (24, Matatƫ, Canterbury, new cap)
Mererangi Paul (24, Chiefs Manawa, Counties Manukau, 2)
Renee Holmes (23, Matatƫ, Waikato, 13)
Ruby Tui (31, Counties Manukau, 10)
Unavailable for selection due to injury: Ayesha Leti-I'iga (knee), Awhina Tangen Wainohu (neck), Charmaine McMenamin (knee), Santo Taumata (knee).
Those players not selected include Joanah Ngan-Woo, Kendra Reynolds and Phillipa Love.