All Blacks XV 2024

@Duluth said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@African-Monkey said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@brodean said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@Canes4life

Pretty good.

I don't see Sotutu or Sullivan getting selected though.

If Sotutu doesn’t make the AB XV, Razor really is an idiot.

He may as well head north, there's no future for him in NZ if he does.

If that happens he should try to get an early release. Perhaps England would want him in November

He still has to wait until the end of next year before becoming elligible for England/Fiji.

@African-Monkey

True. I thought it had been 3 years already

I believe his NZ contract ends at the same time

Razor said his toughest decision was leaving Sotutu out of the All Blacks in July so would be hard to see him missing out on the XV unless he's not been answering phone calls again...

Razor's also confirmed 36 and 29 for the two EOYT squads and that some players will be shared (whether that means 65 total or some of the players count in both is unclear, but assuming the former...)

I know that All Blacks XV are playing Munster. Do they have any other fixtures?

Sotutu is a quality 8, NZ rugby should work hard to keep him.

@sparky said in All Blacks XV 2024:

I know that All Blacks XV are playing Munster. Do they have any other fixtures?

Georgia the same week the ABs play Ireland.

A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.
My selection :

Props : Kaivelata, Numia, Dyer, Renata, Lauaki
Hookers : McAllister, Riccitelli,
Locks : IWL, Holland, McWhannel,
LF : Haig, Saifoloi, Segner, Kirifi, Stodart, Suafoa (I hope Lakai will be with the ABs)
Scrum halves : Fakatava, Christie
1st Fives : Jacomb, Millar
Midfielders : Lam, Telea, Higgins, B. Sullivan
Back three : Tavatavanawai, Naholo, Banks, Z. Sullivan, ENS

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV 2024:

A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.

He is certainly looking better with more NPC games. However, I'd be surprised to see any non-SR players in the squad.

You would have to think that the likes of Fihaki will be selected for this squad if he has been brought into the ABs as injury cover.

From the NZH:

With Clayton McMillan to lead a 29-man All Blacks XV squad for matches against Munster and Georgia.

Also:

Addressing whether 21-year-old Lakai will be included in his squad, Robertson indicated he would bounce between the All Blacks and All Blacks XV.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:

From the NZH:

With Clayton McMillan to lead a 29-man All Blacks XV squad for matches against Munster and Georgia.

Also:

Addressing whether 21-year-old Lakai will be included in his squad, Robertson indicated he would bounce between the All Blacks and All Blacks XV.

That's good stuff, basically apprenticing with the main team but also getting international game time with the XV

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV 2024:

A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.

He is certainly looking better with more NPC games. However, I'd be surprised to see any non-SR players in the squad.

You would have to think that the likes of Fihaki will be selected for this squad if he has been brought into the ABs as injury cover.

Can we sign him and Mathis for Super?

If we are prepared to let some of the older heads go, we could have some old heads in our top loose trio and a young trio coming behind them in Saifoloi, Mathis, Wramping.

@gt12 Better to discuss in the Chiefs thread but apart from Jacobson, who is 27, the rest of the Chiefs loose forwards are <25 yrs old. Big, mobile loose forwards are gold though.

@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@gt12 Better to discuss in the Chiefs thread but apart from Jacobson, who is 27, the rest of the Chiefs loose forwards are <25 yrs old. Big, mobile loose forwards are gold though.

I think two of the three have potential for the ABXV (that's my attempt to stay on topic @Duluth).

I wonder where Ah Kuoi fits in? Also a contender for this team?

We aren't bringing back the old man from Taranaki this year @Bovidae ?

@sparky said in All Blacks XV 2024:

I know that All Blacks XV are playing Munster. Do they have any other fixtures?

Harlequins/Northampton/Bath?

@cgrant said in All Blacks XV 2024:

A bolter for the AB XV could be Waikato's Xavier Saifoloi (195cm, 114 kg), a bruising blindside.
My selection :

Props : Kaivelata, Numia, Dyer, Renata, Lauaki
Hookers : McAllister, Riccitelli,
Locks : IWL, Holland, McWhannel,
LF : Haig, Saifoloi, Segner, Kirifi, Stodart, Suafoa (I hope Lakai will be with the ABs)
Scrum halves : Fakatava, Christie
1st Fives : Jacomb, Millar
Midfielders : Lam, Telea, Higgins, B. Sullivan
Back three : Tavatavanawai, Naholo, Banks, Z. Sullivan, ENS

If Narewa and Love aren’t in AB 36 they’d have to be here.

@pakman they play Georgia in France

Off the wall, but I’d like to see TJP and Cane Co-captains of XV.
Can pass on the AB way to the youngsters and injury cover for 36.
For example, at 9 would allow, Ratima, Roigard, Christie, Hotham and TJP all to travel.
Riccitelli and Eklund allows Bell to float between.

@pakman I don’t understand the point of that. A hundred test ex captain in the development team? TJP is past development and hasn’t got better in the past 2-3 years.

It’s the beginning of a RWC cycle. No room for old heads

@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@pakman I don’t understand the point of that. A hundred test ex captain in the development team? TJP is past development and hasn’t got better in the past 2-3 years.

It’s the beginning of a RWC cycle. No room for old heads

Are you getting confused between the ABs and the AB XV?

It's a development team, not the ABs. Makes perfect sense to get old heads to pass on their knowledge and advice to promising players - particularly on a tour.

@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot

They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.

Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team. That’s not going to happen

@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@Victor-Meldrew TJP wouldn’t be my choice on mentor for young players. A bit of an idiot

Which 87+ cap AB halfback would you prefer?

They’ll get that regardless from being in the same room, and I assume training paddock, with the ABs squad.

Better they get match practice with uber-experienced ABs that just being in the same room with them.

Maybe an argument for Cane, but again, in what world would they put an ex captain and 100 test AB in a development team.

A world where there's original thinking, a longer-term view on player development, experienced players are used to mentor upcoming talent and work with coaches on developing that talent?

They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.

@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:

They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.

Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:

They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.

Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby

Very true, but every Super team has decent international experience, and if you look at the names being thrown around for this team, there is a solid amount of international experience in the playing group. Sure nobody of the Cane level, but enough that if you want him there it should be as non-playing mentor.
If it means a Lakai / Hotham / Fakatava misses out it would be a mistake. If they're going to select a Mitch Drummond / Tom Christie then TJ / Cane by comparison would have merit - but I think that whole path would be a mistake.

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@reprobate said in All Blacks XV 2024:

They all have ABs in their super teams. If you want to take Sam Cane etc as a mentor, don't take him in a playing role.

Not all Super Teams have a 100 Test opensides or 87 Test 9's playing with them, though. And playing internationals with a mix of players from SR franchises is very different and a step up from super rugby

A big part is the attitude and detail in training, both Tj and Cane will be able to lead in that way - for all his errors TJ does the extras in training and Cane should be able to provide the detail and requirements to leaders. They t need to even play unless necessary

Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.

@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.

Leave the jersey better than you found it - exactly what you want to see from your senior leaders, exactly the example to set.

Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).

Pre-season matches start at the end of October - the pre-season training is well underway for anyone who isn't playing elsewhere.

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).

That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?

@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).

That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?

Need to be released for International Window but that is only 28th to 17th. However we don't know when Cane or TJ contract actually starts

@Victor-Meldrew that’s not original thinking. Came is a very good 7 but you can’t make an argument for TJ. Has repeatedly shown a lack of leadership and rugby smarts. Wouldn’t want him near any young player

@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:

that’s not original thinking

It is for NZR.....

The All Blacks XV 2024 Tour schedule is:

v Munster, 2 November 5.30PM (GMT) / 3 November 6.30AM (NZDT), Thomond Park Limerick, Ireland
v Georgia, 10 November, 2PM (CET), 11 November 2.00AM (NZDT), GGL Stadium, Montpellier, France

Who gets to select squad?

@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Who gets to select squad?

Normally abs selectors, I'm sure there is some discussion with XV coaches

Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?

I say 100% or there will be a riot.

Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?

I say 100% or there will be a riot.

Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.

Both sides of the ball.

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?

I say 100% or there will be a riot.

Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.

Also brought up in the other thread, Razor said leaving out Sotutu was the hardest decision in July. So he should be in there unless he's subsequently done something to piss Razor off.

@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:

Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?

I say 100% or there will be a riot.

Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.

But would Hoskins agree?