@SouthernMann said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Why would Cane or Perenara want to risk injury heading into a lucrative period in their careers to support a whole lot of up and comers.
Leave the jersey better than you found it - exactly what you want to see from your senior leaders, exactly the example to set.
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
Pre-season matches start at the end of October - the pre-season training is well underway for anyone who isn't playing elsewhere.
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Pre-season for league 1 starts at the end of October. And the league itself starts just before Xmas (I think).
That seems a real clash. Wonder what is the contractual position?
Need to be released for International Window but that is only 28th to 17th. However we don't know when Cane or TJ contract actually starts
@Victor-Meldrew that’s not original thinking. Came is a very good 7 but you can’t make an argument for TJ. Has repeatedly shown a lack of leadership and rugby smarts. Wouldn’t want him near any young player
The All Blacks XV 2024 Tour schedule is:
v Munster, 2 November 5.30PM (GMT) / 3 November 6.30AM (NZDT), Thomond Park Limerick, Ireland
v Georgia, 10 November, 2PM (CET), 11 November 2.00AM (NZDT), GGL Stadium, Montpellier, France
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Who gets to select squad?
Normally abs selectors, I'm sure there is some discussion with XV coaches
Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?
I say 100% or there will be a riot.
Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?
I say 100% or there will be a riot.
Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.
Both sides of the ball.
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?
I say 100% or there will be a riot.
Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.
Also brought up in the other thread, Razor said leaving out Sotutu was the hardest decision in July. So he should be in there unless he's subsequently done something to piss Razor off.
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Brought up in the other thread, but what are the odds of Sotutu not being picked?
I say 100% or there will be a riot.
Certainly this place will be worth me using my favorite gif again.
But would Hoskins agree?
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Razor said leaving out Sotutu was the hardest decision in July.
both sides of the mouth
@nzzp said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Razor said leaving out Sotutu was the hardest decision in July.
both sides of the mouth
As bad as Foster so far.
McMillan has had some input into squad selection. The squad will be named on Tuesday, the day after the AB squad.
Taking last year and slotting in ex ABs and injury back up ABs, with a couple of additions, gives this. Not close enough to NPC form to know who's missing.
Assumes TJS, Cane, and Finau remain in AB squad.
Props
George Dyer
Xavier Numia
George Bower
Marcel Renata
Hookers
Ricky Riccitelli
Brodie McAllister
Locks
Naitoa Ah Kuoi
Josh Lord
Isaia Walker-Leawere
Fabien Holland
Loose Forwards
Hoskins Sotutu
Christian Lio-Willie
Billy Harmon
Peter Lakai
Cameron Suafoa
Zach Gallagher
Halfbacks
Finlay Christie
Noah Hotham
First-five-eighths
Josh Jacomb
Harry Plummer
Midfielders
Rameka Poihipi
Quinn Tuapea
Daniel Rona (also wing)
Braydon Ennor
Outside Backs
A J Lam (can also go at 12)
Shaun Stevenson
Emoni Narewa
Etene Nanai-Seturo
Jona Nareki
Surely they take 5 props. Rakete-Stones was chosen last year as someone who could cover both sides.
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
Which squad does Perofeta make? Gallagher as a lock.
You should have stuck with B Sullivan. 
None of the Highlanders forwards mentioned are listed.
@pakman
Hookers
Ricky Riccitelli: if he’s not selected over Bell in the ABs, what’s the point of taking him?
Loose Forwards
Christian Lio-Willie
Billy Harmon: Going to Japan to what’s the point in taking Harmon?
Peter Lakai
Cameron Suafoa
Zach Gallagher: Is a lock. Another out of position loose forward? No
You haven’t picked a single out and out six. Why?
Midfielders
Quinn Tuapea: Absolutely not. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the ABs set up
Braydon Ennor: What’s the point?
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Surely they take 5 props. Rakete-Stones was chosen last year as someone who could cover both sides.
You may be right, but only taking 29, so I assume Ofa and Tosi will be available if required.
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
True, but not sure who is the form NPC 7 and Kirifi not my kettle of fish.
Which squad does Perofeta make?
He's in ABs.
Gallagher as a lock.
Too small for international level. We need another 6' 5" big body who can play 6. If not Zach, maybe Simon Parker?
You should have stuck with B Sullivan.
They can always leave out Tupaea.
None of the Highlanders forwards mentioned are listed.
Haig fits the size model. Who are you thinking of?
Bear in mind I've only seen Super rugby this year and a few NPC highlights!
Mc Whannell, Riley Higgins, A Ross, Haig are all contenders surely. Brayden Iose and Segner worthy loosies. D McLeod and Stevenson are chances in backs.
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Surely they take 5 props. Rakete-Stones was chosen last year as someone who could cover both sides.
You may be right, but only taking 29, so I assume Ofa and Tosi will be available if required.
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
True, but not sure who is the form NPC 7 and Kirifi not my kettle of fish.
Which squad does Perofeta make?
He's in ABs.
Gallagher as a lock.
Too small for international level. We need another 6' 5" big body who can play 6. If not Zach, maybe Simon Parker?
You should have stuck with B Sullivan.
They can always leave out Tuapea.
None of the Highlanders forwards mentioned are listed.
Haig fits the size model. Who are you thinking of?
Bear in mind I've only seen Super rugby this year and a few NPC highlights!
Gallagher is 6ft 6 and 115 kg not small for an international lock .
@ARHS said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Mc Whannell, Riley Higgins, A Ross, Haig are all contenders surely.
Agreed, McWhannell could edge Ah Khoi. Ross for me behind Numia and Bower if only two LHs taken.
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Surely they take 5 props. Rakete-Stones was chosen last year as someone who could cover both sides.
You may be right, but only taking 29, so I assume Ofa and Tosi will be available if required.
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
True, but not sure who is the form NPC 7 and Kirifi not my kettle of fish.
Which squad does Perofeta make?
He's in ABs.
Gallagher as a lock.
Too small for international level. We need another 6' 5" big body who can play 6. If not Zach, maybe Simon Parker?
You should have stuck with B Sullivan.
They can always leave out Tuapea.
None of the Highlanders forwards mentioned are listed.
Haig fits the size model. Who are you thinking of?
Bear in mind I've only seen Super rugby this year and a few NPC highlights!
Gallagher is 6ft 6 and 115 kg not small for an international lock .
Marginal. Seen him listed at 6' 5", but can't trust what you read!
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman Yes, Haig, Withy and Taylor were mentioned. There are better options than Taylor for hooker.
I'd be giving Lakai the games at 7. I am assuming that Papalii gets to play against Japan.
I suspect we'll see Paps and Bladder against Japan.
NZ XV (29)
Props
Numia
Bower
Ross
Dyer
Ma’u
Hookers
Riccitelli
McAllister
J Taylor
Locks
Lord
Walker-Leawere
Ah Kuoi
Loose Forwards
Haig
Withy
Lio-Willie
Sotutu
Suafoa
Halfbacks
Fakatava
Hotham
Christie
First Five
Jacomb
Midfielder
Lam
Higgins
McLeod
Tupaea
Outside Backs
Perofeta
Fihaki
Tele’a
Springer
Nanai-Seturo
Have heard there is an expectation that Withy will be named, which to me suggests Lakai in the top squad and there is no Cane, because I can't really see which other loose forward they would omit... maybe Suafoa?
Have also heard J Taylor is in... keeping in mind ST is injured, and this is also a development side, to have him in there I don't think is ridiculous. Slater & Eklund probably ahead on ability, but neither of those are ever going to be ABs.
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@frugby is this a wish list or inside information?
It's a guess... and in fairness, I am not sure I would tweak much other than the outside backs where I would have Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens in the mix for Fihaki.
With a team like this there always going to be unlucky omissions, because naturally at a lower level, there are more players of a similar standing, particularly in the loose forwards, midfield and outsides.
I still wonder if Xavier Roe's kicking game and tactical awareness merits a look. Scrag tackler though.
Looking at the dates of the games there is the opportunity to give the third AB halfback (i.e., Hotham) a game against Georgia. That could also apply to other AB squad players. It's not possible for the Munster game as that is the same day as the English test.
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Chris said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@pakman said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
Surely they take 5 props. Rakete-Stones was chosen last year as someone who could cover both sides.
You may be right, but only taking 29, so I assume Ofa and Tosi will be available if required.
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
True, but not sure who is the form NPC 7 and Kirifi not my kettle of fish.
Which squad does Perofeta make?
He's in ABs.
Gallagher as a lock.
Too small for international level. We need another 6' 5" big body who can play 6. If not Zach, maybe Simon Parker?
You should have stuck with B Sullivan.
They can always leave out Tuapea.
None of the Highlanders forwards mentioned are listed.
Haig fits the size model. Who are you thinking of?
Bear in mind I've only seen Super rugby this year and a few NPC highlights!
Gallagher is 6ft 6 and 115 kg not small for an international lock .
Marginal. Seen him listed at 6' 5", but can't trust what you read!
Nah he’s 6ft 6
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV 2024:
If they are using this team for development there is no point selecting Harmon.
Yup agreed, especially considering Harmon is leaving. I’ll add Riccitelli to that, the lads about to be 30. Everyone likes him and he had a great super season but if he’s doesn’t fit the bill of an upcoming/developmental player is there much point? I guess it comes down to how much of the drop of from him to the next group of hookers the coaches think there is.
@frugby said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks XV 2024:
@frugby is this a wish list or inside information?
It's a guess...
You’ve just said you have heard and now you’re saying it’s a guess. I’m slightly confused. You’re full squad is a guess or those Highlander names you’re saying you’ve heard are actually a guess?
If the All Blacks XV were being selected with an eye to the future, as opposed to just the current 'next best' squad, then I think we'd see something along the lines of:
Hookers (2): Brodie McAlister, Jack Taylor
Props (5): George Bower, Xavier Numia, Kauvaka Kauivelata, Marcel Renata, Saula Ma'u
Locks (3): Josh Lord, Fabian Holland, Zach Gallagher
Loose forwards (7): Oliver Haig, Malachi Wrampling, Cameron Suafoa, Peter Lakai, Sean Withy, Hoskins Sotutu, Simon Parker
Halfbacks (2): Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
First fives (1): Josh Jacomb
Centres (4): AJ Lam, Quinn Tupaea, Dallas McLeod, Gideon Wrampling
Wings (3): Kini Naholo, Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens, Emoni Narawa
Fullbacks (2): Ruben Love, Zarn Sullivan, Chay Fihaki
A couple of slightly more experienced guys in there but largely forward-thinking.
But suspect there'll be some names like Cullen Grace in there.
