Highlanders 2025

@gt12 said in Highlanders 2025:

@Kiwiwomble

He was solid for us and a player who looked like they would be better with more game time. He’s a center / wing which is also great for the bench.

I agree with @Tim - maybe it is just that the Landers are a bit shit? Your midfield next year could be an entire level above this year if the right guys are re-signed and not injured. That would probably help a player like Lowe who isn’t really a creator.

Lowe was the best outside back, a very average Landers set up could recruit at the back end of 2022, for the 2023 season. To get him across the line, they had to offer him a three year deal, which was ridiculous. He was the Mitch Hunt of our outside backs. The sort of player who looks decent when surrounded by good players. When he is expected to be a backline leader, it just didn't work.
I don't begrudge him for taking the three year deal. Just on reflection, it probably wasn't a good move for him or the Landers. Next year, he will be our fourth string winger and third/fourth string centre.
Can't be great for the lad going down as an experienced player, finishing his contract being well down the pecking order and coming back from a bad injury. There is a chance he might not even be back on the training paddock until January.

@Canes4life he is horribly overrated

@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:

To get him across the line, they had to offer him a three year deal, which was ridiculous.

And that was the difference as the Chiefs weren't going to offer Lowe a 3-yr deal. He's a player that can add depth to your squad but not a difference-maker.

Jonah Lowe looked rubbish just like the rest of our outside backs (bar Nareki) in 2023. I actually thought he looked bright in the brief time he spent on the wing before getting injured... wasn't ever convinced by him at 13.

When we signed him, they were already looking to build long-term, and my understanding Lowe was the only guy they could get who was willing to sign a three year deal. In that time AJ Lam 'turned us down', and I'm sure there were others they could have got had they not been so picky.

They've learned from that by giving Tele'a a one year deal (and now an extension). Recruitment above all else is key in Super Rugby, and it is something we did an appalling job of from 2019-2013. In that time, 60+ players made their debuts, and particularly 2019-2021, we signed some shockers.

@gt12 said in Highlanders 2025:

@Kiwiwomble

He was solid for us and a player who looked like they would be better with more game time. He’s a center / wing which is also great for the bench.

I agree with @Tim - maybe it is just that the Landers are a bit shit? Your midfield next year could be an entire level above this year if the right guys are re-signed and not injured. That would probably help a player like Lowe who isn’t really a creator.

he's definitely gone down hill but i think we did little to help him in 2023 struggling to get the ball to our wings anywhere but on the back foot...and although our midfield improved this year i think he was already a bit broken....not sure what was needed anymore

@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:

@Canes4life he is horribly overrated

who's rating him highly?

@KiwiInLondon said in Highlanders 2025:

@Canes4life he is horribly overrated

Always has been.

I love how a day of awesome exciting news is dominated by Jonah Lowe

Think Finn Hurley could be one to watch, because it was notable he wasn't announced yesterday, even though according to Paul Cully he was signed ages ago.

Tangitau was locked in before they knew CGB was leaving (though I guess they may have thought Lowe was leaving?) so that might suggest he was the Bogado replacement. If it is correct Hurley was signed so far in advance, then maybe he was actually signed as the Patchell replacement?

OR, maybe the rumours of him being signed are incorrect? Seems weird they would announce those five guys, but omit Hurley to announce him at a later date?

@frugby i have my doubts re Hurley but as someone (you?) pointed out he got the nod in the QF so you would think that has to be a sign he is considered positively

@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby i have my doubts re Hurley but as someone (you?) pointed out he got the nod in the QF so you would think that has to be a sign he is considered positively

Agreed. I do wonder if JJ becoming head coach changes that though?

Look at the backs we have signed since Jamie got involved:

Tavatavanawai
Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens
Tangitau
Tele'a
J Whaanga
Patchell

All these guys are big.

It could be that the rumour of him being signed was rubbish, and more that Dermody/Lynn rated him? They went off Bogado big time, and the only other fit back was Garden-Bachop, but he dropped a stinker and was hooked against the Canes. Almost a case of last man standing?

@frugby JJ's historic style is strong front up stuff....not really a delicate touch approach

@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby JJ's historic style is strong front up stuff....not really a delicate touch approach

Correct. My tip is you'll see Josh Whaanga tried at 12 by Otago with a view of him playing their for the Highlanders. He could be your Richard Buckman type.

I'd just saying the 'announcement', or a lack there of Finn Hurley is a bit of an oversight. It has been clearly signaled by members of the team's management, that it just has potentially been forgotten to have been officially done publicly.

@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:

I'd just saying the 'announcement', or a lack there of Finn Hurley is a bit of an oversight. It has been clearly signaled by members of the team's management, that it just has potentially been forgotten to have been officially done publicly.

Just seems a little odd though? Last year for example, they announced all those young fellas twice, including Cam Millar who had already been upgraded into the squad for 2023.

for all we know his plans may have changed, if someone in Japan spotted him and if the Highlanders only see him as a squad guy covering 15/10 then he might have asked to leave before it was announced, we just dont know until they say one way or the other

this place just isn't the same since the Magpie Massive chucked their toys out of the cot and left because their union has a drug problem.

Now guys like Lowe and havili are left undefended

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby JJ's historic style is strong front up stuff....not really a delicate touch approach

Correct. My tip is you'll see Josh Whaanga tried at 12 by Otago with a view of him playing their for the Highlanders. He could be your Richard Buckman type.

He's 10cm taller and at the moment 10kg heavier. He will probably end up around 100 - 105kg. Most similar in build to a Jordie Barrett or a SBW. A long way from a Buckman.

@mariner4life He'd be struggling with his Crusaders having a bad season and the Blues winning it would have hurt him just as much, along with Akira Ioane lifting the trophy haha.

Imagine the fights he'd have on here if he read the Jonah Lowe criticism? He'd probably have a meltdown too at the Landers choosing to sign Rhys Patchell ahead of his other idol Lincoln McClutchie.

@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby JJ's historic style is strong front up stuff....not really a delicate touch approach

Correct. My tip is you'll see Josh Whaanga tried at 12 by Otago with a view of him playing their for the Highlanders. He could be your Richard Buckman type.

He's 10cm taller and at the moment 10kg heavier. He will probably end up around 100 - 105kg. Most similar in build to a Jordie Barrett or a SBW. A long way from a Buckman.

Just because he has a different body type doesn't mean he can't fill the same role of being a hard tackling, hard running workhorse.

@frugby just doesn't match how I've seen him play. With that body composition, he is an offloading target, a guy to run off. Buckman tended to run off players, instead of being a provider. Buckman
was guy who ran at holes. Instesd of busting through tackles. With Buckman was the smaller guy who took advantage of the space provided by the bigger backline members. Whaanga will be one of the bigger backline members. Whaanga is also a kick-pass target, who can go over the top of defenders in the air. His height is probably his biggest advantage. Very different styles and strengths.

Ideally Hurley is replaced asap with a bigger, better, more level headed, less prone to stupid kicks, can make sensible decisions kind of fullback. Suspect he will be a 1-2 season wonder

Christ. It was Hurleys first year in professional footy and the lad has only just turned 21. Yes, size isn’t on his side but I’ll cut the young fella some slack, he batted well above his weight this season and you can see potential.

He’s not a starter for us next season so you could be doing a lot worse if you’re looking for a squad player in the outside backs. Some players from the past for example that we’ve had to deal with. Mosese Dawai, Kuridrani, Nabura(flying boot to the face), even Vereniki Tikoisolomone was called in a few years back.

He’s an upgrade for us at the back end of the roster that might get a game here and there. Looking forward to seeing what he can do for Otago.

@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:

Christ. It was Hurleys first year in professional footy and the lad has only just turned 21. Yes, size isn’t on his size but I’ll cut the young fella some slack, he batted well above his weight this season and you can see potential.

He’s not a starter for us next season so you could be doing a lot worse if you’re looking for a squad player in the outside backs. Some players from the past for example that we’ve had to deal with. Mosese Dawai, Kuridrani, Nabura(flying boot to the face), even Vereniki Tikoisolomone was called in a few years back.

He’s an upgrade for us at the back end of the roster that might get a game here and there. Looking forward to seeing what he can do for Otago.

Nailed it. Hurley has some bloody good skills. He is quick, has a strong passing game, is showing great improvement under the high ball and his defence has come on leaps and bounds. The half he played marking Caleb Clarke was a top display. He was all over Clarke. He got himself a bit lost with the ball and defensively with Otago last year. I'd certainly expect this year to be a much improved campaign. There are a lot of people who back him. I like the idea of him coming off the bench for the Landers next year, if that is an impact option they are looking at.

@SouthernMann he doesn’t make sensible decisions, a lot of his decision making is incredibly poor, even at a club level.

@Kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2025:

dont believe anyone on here thought he would be as poor as he has turned out to be

Ahem

@mariner4life said in Highlanders 2025:

Now guys like Lowe and havili are left undefended

Hearing M Whaanga is signed for 2025, and J Whaanga being viewed as a wing option at this stage...

So if Hurley is signed that would leave us with no backs spot remaining for next year.

I suppose it is possible they banked on Lowe leaving as well as CGB (RIP), but then Lowe got injured, so it is now only CGB leaving?

im not a huge Matt Whaanga fan, has Journeyman written allover him

im getting lost, whats the deal with Tele'a? hes back next year?

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

Hearing M Whaanga is signed for 2025, and J Whaanga being viewed as a wing option at this stage...

So if Hurley is signed that would leave us with no backs spot remaining for next year.

I suppose it is possible they banked on Lowe leaving as well as CGB (RIP), but then Lowe got injured, so it is now only CGB leaving?

Wouldn't be surprised if Whaanga is an injury replacement for Lowe. I'd doubt Lowe is training properly until at least Feb. Between the two Whaanga boys, they cover his squad role.

@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

Hearing M Whaanga is signed for 2025, and J Whaanga being viewed as a wing option at this stage...

So if Hurley is signed that would leave us with no backs spot remaining for next year.

I suppose it is possible they banked on Lowe leaving as well as CGB (RIP), but then Lowe got injured, so it is now only CGB leaving?

Wouldn't be surprised if Whaanga is an injury replacement for Lowe. I'd doubt Lowe is training properly until at least Feb. Between the two Whaanga boys, they cover his squad role.

M Whaanga on a two year deal so not an injury replacement. J Whaanga was signed end of 2023/start of 2024 timeline, so he isn't an injury replacement either.

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

@SouthernMann said in Highlanders 2025:

@frugby said in Highlanders 2025:

Hearing M Whaanga is signed for 2025, and J Whaanga being viewed as a wing option at this stage...

So if Hurley is signed that would leave us with no backs spot remaining for next year.

I suppose it is possible they banked on Lowe leaving as well as CGB (RIP), but then Lowe got injured, so it is now only CGB leaving?

Wouldn't be surprised if Whaanga is an injury replacement for Lowe. I'd doubt Lowe is training properly until at least Feb. Between the two Whaanga boys, they cover his squad role.

M Whaanga on a two year deal so not an injury replacement. J Whaanga was signed end of 2023/start of 2024 timeline, so he isn't an injury replacement either.

Yes sir. Certainly wasn't saying Josh Whaanga. Was just throwing around theories. I still wouldn't be surprised if Jonah Lowe needs cover going into the season..

Coaching changes to be confirmed at 3 PM. @frugby talked about it further up in the thread

so....4mins away?

Jamie fucking Joseph!!!! Absolutely thrilled!

NO WAY!!!!

@Landers92 said in Highlanders 2025:

Jamie fucking Joseph!!!! Absolutely thrilled!

That's one way to remain the top team in the South.

What about the fate of Donnelly, Dillon and Flutey?

Quickly spoke to someone after seeing this and as you could probably figure out, Tom Donelly has supposedly been the one relieved of his duties according to him(fairly reliable contact). Will be interesting how they word that if that info gets released.