All Blacks v France III

Bones
Bones1 year ago
#156

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks v France III:

Here you go. Very early this week which is nice. Backline for week 3.

  1. Ratima
  2. Dmac
  3. Ioane
  4. Tupaea
  5. ALB
  6. Reece
  7. Love

Bench
21. Hotham
22. Tavatavanawai
23. B.Barrett

How about the following then?

  1. De Groot
  2. Taylor
  3. Newell (Lomax)
  4. Holland
  5. Tuipolutu
  6. Finau
  7. A. Savea (c)
  8. Jacobson
  9. Ratima
  10. DMac
  11. R. Ioane
  12. Tupaea
  13. ALB
  14. Reece
  15. Love
  1. Norris
  2. McAlister
  3. Tosi
  4. Ah Kuoi
  5. Kirifi
  6. Hotham
  7. Tavatavanawai
  8. B. Barrett

Jesus, you'd struggle to find a greener bench even in the French team.

voodoo
voodoo1 year ago
#157

@Bones said in All Blacks v France III:

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks v France III:

Here you go. Very early this week which is nice. Backline for week 3.

  1. Ratima
  2. Dmac
  3. Ioane
  4. Tupaea
  5. ALB
  6. Reece
  7. Love

Bench
21. Hotham
22. Tavatavanawai
23. B.Barrett

How about the following then?

  1. De Groot
  2. Taylor
  3. Newell (Lomax)
  4. Holland
  5. Tuipolutu
  6. Finau
  7. A. Savea (c)
  8. Jacobson
  9. Ratima
  10. DMac
  11. R. Ioane
  12. Tupaea
  13. ALB
  14. Reece
  15. Love
  1. Norris
  2. McAlister
  3. Tosi
  4. Ah Kuoi
  5. Kirifi
  6. Hotham
  7. Tavatavanawai
  8. B. Barrett

Jesus, you'd struggle to find a greener bench even in the French team.

It’s not called a “Bench” anymore bro, that’s our “Impact”

sparky
sparky1 year ago
#158

@Bones

Norris is worth persevering with IMHO and with experience he might offer more than De Groot.

Robertson has said all the squad originally named will play at some point so unless you're going to start McAlister, he will be on the bench. He's a better player than Bell IMHO.

I've read this morning that Lomax is in training so hopefully he starts or is on the bench.

With so many locks injured Ah Kuoi is next cab out of the bench. He might even be a starter if Patty T is injured with IWL the next cab off the rank, unless anyone has any better suggestions of uninjured NZ locks?

Papalii offers more than Kirifi IMHO but I think Kirifi will be given another chance.

Hotham and Big Jim have earned their opportunities.

Beauden Barrett has 136 international caps which is 76 more than the starting French XV last Saturday.

pakman1 year ago
#159

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks v France III:

Here you go. Very early this week which is nice. Backline for week 3.

  1. Ratima
  2. Dmac
  3. Ioane
  4. Tupaea
  5. ALB
  6. Reece
  7. Love

Bench
21. Hotham
22. Tavatavanawai
23. B.Barrett

How about the following then?

  1. De Groot
  2. Taylor
  3. Newell (Lomax)
  4. Holland
  5. Tuipolutu
  6. Finau
  7. A. Savea (c)
  8. Jacobson
  9. Ratima
  10. DMac
  11. R. Ioane
  12. Tupaea
  13. ALB
  14. Reece
  15. Love
  1. Norris
  2. McAlister
  3. Tosi
  4. Ah Kuoi
  5. Kirifi
  6. Hotham
  7. Tavatavanawai
  8. B. Barrett

Give Taylor a rest and start Sami. If Lomax a 100, Fletch also gets a spell. Might reduce greenness to let Norris have a start and keep EDG or Bower to be old head amongst finishers. I'd like to see Paps get some minutes, although recognise that's unlikely.

sparky
sparky1 year ago
#160

@pakman

Taylor is our best player at the minute and with the disruption to the Locks I want Mr Reliable throwing into the lineout from our first one of the game.

Norris is still a bit behind De Groot but may have the higher ceiling.

Lomax if fit to go should either start or be on the bench.

Our experienced locks are broken so it's time to put faith in the depth chart there.

I'm a big fan of Dalton Papalii. He's a superb player but he seems to have done something to annoy the coaches.

Bones
Bones1 year ago
#161

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@Bones

Norris is worth persevering with IMHO and with experience he might offer more than De Groot.

Robertson has said all the squad originally named will play at some point so unless you're going to start McAlister, he will be on the bench. He's a better player than Bell IMHO.

I've read this morning that Lomax is in training so hopefully he starts or is on the bench.

With so many locks injured Ah Kuoi is next cab out of the bench. He might even be a starter if Patty T is injured with IWL the next cab off the rank, unless anyone has any better suggestions of uninjured NZ locks?

Papalii offers more than Kirifi IMHO but I think Kirifi will be given another chance.

Hotham and Big Jim are earned their opportunities.

Beauden Barrett has 136 international caps which is 76 more than the starting French XV last Saturday.

I'm not arguing, just making an observation.

ACT Crusader
ACT Crusader1 year ago
#162

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader Finau's been disappointing in the first two Tests. If they select him, he'll need a good game to be retained in the squad for the RC.

I thought the first test he wasn’t too bad. Came on and did a number of things that had a positive impact.

Last weekend wasn’t great. He just needs one of those tests where he knuckles down and makes his tackles, create havoc at the tackle by playing quick off set piece and then provides at least 5-7 runs.

Well he had to play lock. He was fine. He contributed well to the breakdown, lineout, scrum and was accurate.

Kirifi was more of worry. Came on and gave away 3 penalties and turned the ball over within 20 minutes.

It wasn’t the position that was the problem as the set piece wasn’t the issue. It was more about what he was and wasn’t doing around the park.

Possibly because he's busy trying to come to terms with being a blindside flanker at this level and then was shoved into playing another.

It's this level of midwittery that has me worried about the coaches.

I don’t see the problem. We had subbed off Patty and moved Vaa’i to lock. Nothing we haven’t seen before and nothing that previous coaches haven’t done.

The unfortunate thing was losing Vaa’i to the HIA a few minutes later. Vaa’i failed his HiA and we had to being CLW back on.

The question is, was Patty injured and that’s why he didn’t come back on. He is now under a cloud for test 3.

That’s just unfortunate luck really. From a set piece perspective we were okay with Finau covering for the loss of two locks.

Victor Meldrew
Victor Meldrew1 year ago
#165

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:

Finau at 6 and Jacobson at no.7 or 8 for me.

Good shout, I think I'd prefer Jacobsen at 7 and Savea at 8, simply because Ardie's more explosive on attack.

If Jacobsen's the safe utility choice, use him in that role along with RD's ability to switch between 7 & 8.

Victor Meldrew
Victor Meldrew1 year ago
#166

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:

Love might get a start at fullback.

Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.

If Tuipolotu is down as well, that likely means Ah Koui starts and Finau comes into the reserves.

If Ah Kuoi is starting at lock I'd rather see Finau start at 6. At this stage they should bring another lock into the squad as cover.

Laughable that Ah Kuoi can be considered a replacement for what Tuipolotu brings.

These selections are fucking retarded.

Next cab off the rank? Unless they un-injure Scooter...

Bones
Bones1 year ago
#168

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France III:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:

Love might get a start at fullback.

Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.

If Tuipolotu is down as well, that likely means Ah Koui starts and Finau comes into the reserves.

If Ah Kuoi is starting at lock I'd rather see Finau start at 6. At this stage they should bring another lock into the squad as cover.

Laughable that Ah Kuoi can be considered a replacement for what Tuipolotu brings.

These selections are fucking retarded.

Next cab off the rank? Unless they un-injure Scooter...

That's the one!

Victor Meldrew
Victor Meldrew1 year ago
#170

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

Too many Chiefs

Totally OT but....

Working at a US bank in the '00's. Major issue with the software development guys from Bangalore. Heated meeting. My colleague Sajjad (Kashmiri) suddenly bangs his fist on the table and says...

. "The problem is... too many chief.s....not enough Pakistanis.."

"

Victor Meldrew
Victor Meldrew1 year ago
#172

@Bones said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@voodoo said in All Blacks v France III:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

Too many Chiefs

Too many Reece's.

Totally. Why Reece over Narawa? Surely not just “work rate”.

Razor said he wanted to give every one in the original squad a run.

Reece only had a rrrr….

Had his body actually progressed past halfway, or did he just nod?

He lead with his head

Victor Meldrew
Victor Meldrew1 year ago
#173

@Windows97 said in All Blacks v France III:

I just hope our midfield actually does something, though if Tupaea and ALB rips the French to shreds it will probably rasie more questions than answers.

But a nice problem to have considering the shit show the midfield has been for years.

pakman1 year ago
#174

Judging by press, Norris has got the start.

game_film
game_film1 year ago
#175

Not a fan of any more rotation talk. Given the number of injuries, a lot of guys have got game time… and have generally done quite well. Funny how that works, isn’t it?

Just put the best team out there, whatever Surfboard Jesus thinks that is, and pretend it’s a RWC quarter final.

They can’t give the frogs a reason to not be anything but absolutely miserable on the flight home.

taniwharugby
taniwharugby1 year ago
#176

@game_film said in All Blacks v France III:

They can’t give the frogs a reason to not be anything but absolutely miserable on the flight home.

especially after thier Juniors lost as well, and hopefully they were made to visit the site of the Rainbow Warrior last week....

ACT Crusader
ACT Crusader1 year ago
#178

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

Reece already had a run for a few minutes. That's enough for me.

How wrong you are. t wasn’t even a minute….

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Windows97
Windows971 year ago
#181

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@Windows97 said in All Blacks v France III:

I just hope our midfield actually does something, though if Tupaea and ALB rips the French to shreds it will probably rasie more questions than answers.

The problem is I see it is the last time the French were down here, mentally they were already on the plane for the third test.

But Fabien Galthié has intimated that the third test will be their most experienced 23 on tour.

So if they kill it - typical French already packed their bags - and if they don't...

Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't really, but if they do play well it should at least put some pressure on JB and Proctor to lift their game.

nostrildamus
nostrildamus1 year ago
#183

"But Fabien Galthié has intimated that the third test will be their most experienced 23 on tour"
Should we trust the words of a man who wears Stingray arch-villain glasses?

ACT Crusader
ACT Crusader1 year ago
#184

@Windows97 said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

Reece already had a run for a few minutes. That's enough for me.

How wrong you are. t wasn’t even a minute….

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Was this some sort of record for the shortest time on the field in a test match as a starting player?

It wasn’t a test match and not a HIA, but I recall a match where a player did a hamstring running in the kick off

antipodean
antipodean1 year ago
#185

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:

@ACT-Crusader Finau's been disappointing in the first two Tests. If they select him, he'll need a good game to be retained in the squad for the RC.

I thought the first test he wasn’t too bad. Came on and did a number of things that had a positive impact.

Last weekend wasn’t great. He just needs one of those tests where he knuckles down and makes his tackles, create havoc at the tackle by playing quick off set piece and then provides at least 5-7 runs.

Well he had to play lock. He was fine. He contributed well to the breakdown, lineout, scrum and was accurate.

Kirifi was more of worry. Came on and gave away 3 penalties and turned the ball over within 20 minutes.

It wasn’t the position that was the problem as the set piece wasn’t the issue. It was more about what he was and wasn’t doing around the park.

Possibly because he's busy trying to come to terms with being a blindside flanker at this level and then was shoved into playing another.

It's this level of midwittery that has me worried about the coaches.

I don’t see the problem. We had subbed off Patty and moved Vaa’i to lock. Nothing we haven’t seen before and nothing that previous coaches haven’t done.

The unfortunate thing was losing Vaa’i to the HIA a few minutes later. Vaa’i failed his HiA and we had to being CLW back on.

The question is, was Patty injured and that’s why he didn’t come back on. He is now under a cloud for test 3.

That’s just unfortunate luck really. From a set piece perspective we were okay with Finau covering for the loss of two locks.

So he did a good job in the circumstances and hence the criticism would be misplaced, to put it mildly.

brodean1 year ago
#186

Question is, what will the make up be of the locks/loose forwards with Barrett, Tuipulotu and Vaa'i unavailable?

With Mcwhannel being around the squad I'd go.

  1. Norris
  2. Taukei'aho
  3. Lomax
  4. Holland
  5. Ah Kuoi
  6. Finau
  7. Savea
  8. Jacobson

\16. McAlister
17. De Groot
18. Tosi
19. McWhannel
20. Papali'i

Ah Kuoi is probably the same height and weight as Finau. I'd like to see a bit of extra height in the loose forwards so that means CLW and Kirifi can have a rest. After giving away 3 penalties in twenty minutes Kirifi should cool his heels anyway.

They might have Jacobson at 6 and Lio Willie at 8 with Finau on the bench covering lock but I think it's a mistake going into a test with a guy debuting and not a proper lock cover.

That kind of scenario reminds me of when we played Kaino at Soldier Field. Incidentally Finau did a better job covering lock last week than what Kaino did in Soldier Field though to be fair Ireland had that 2.1m lock Toner in that game.

Ryan and Robertson had that history of playing Grace and Gardiner at lock for the Crusaders and I'm not convinced playing loose forwards at lock is something that will translate at test level in the long run. They might have an idea in their head that Papali'i could cover lock if they don't want to bring in Mcwhannel.

antipodean
antipodean1 year ago
#189

@brodean said in All Blacks v France III:

Ryan and Robertson had that history of playing Grace and Gardiner at lock for the Crusaders and I'm not convinced playing loose forwards at lock is something that will translate at test level in the long run. They might have an idea in their head that Papali'i could cover lock if they don't want to bring in Mcwhannel.

If that was to be their coaching and selection genius then David Kirk should give Mark Robinson 24hours to hold them to account before sacking the lot of them.

ACT Crusader
ACT Crusader1 year ago
#191

Grace has only been used at lock at super rugby level in emergencies. Barrett, Tuipoluto, Vaa’i, Darry, Lord all out, options are stretched, but with the MABs back we do have a couple of options that are at least match fit.

booboo
booboo1 year ago
#193

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France III:

Grace has only been used at lock at super rugby level in emergencies. Barrett, Tuipoluto, Vaa’i, Darry, Lord all out, options are stretched, but with the MABs back we do have a couple of options that are at least match fit.

I'd like to see Ah Kuoi replacing Vaa'i but think he's gonna have to don the 5 jersey.

mariner4life
mariner4life1 year ago
#194

In days gone by ah kuoi would be a solid Super Rugby cult hero.
The fact he's in line for a test is a sign of where we're at.

Hes jonno gibbes from wish

Landers92
Landers921 year ago
#195

@Quarky said in All Blacks v France III:

@Landers92 No sneaky preview of the forwards yet?

No sorry.

I see the backline has made it to Facebook on a fan page so I might have to tone it back or may not find out at all moving forward if word gets back.

I know I sound like a hypocrite and understand it’s a forum and we all love to share the inside word but if anyone is sharing it, please make sure it isn’t being sent to a social media fan page or to someone you think could send it to something like that.

It may not have been from anyone on here but I just wanted to comment anyway on the off chance that it was. Want to be able to keep the sauce coming if possible and would hate to not be able to share it due to further leaks like that. Again, I know it sounds hypocritical but I hope you all understand where I’m coming from.

Appreciate the understanding. Cheers.