i worked out my downside, and that's the loss of genuine tours, but those seem to have mostly disappeared anyway
Something had to give after France brought a severely weakened team to New Zealand for three tests earlier this year. And the idea of the finals weekend at Twickenham next year is an exciting one.
But this tournament might create problems. I can't imagine that the NH teams are going to be wild about doing so much flying in July. Scotland, for example, are going from South Africa to Argentina to Fiji on consecutive weekends.
I can see NH team splitting their squads up to limit the fatigue factor. Or might some games be played in neutral venues to reduce travel?
@sparky said in Nations Championship:
Something had to give after France brought a severely weakened team to New Zealand for three tests earlier this year. And the idea of the finals weekend at Twickenham next year is an exciting one.
But this tournament might create problems. I can't imagine that the NH teams are going to be wild about doing so much flying in July. Scotland, for example, are going from South Africa to Argentina to Fiji on consecutive weekends.
I can see NH team splitting their squads up to limit the fatigue factor. Or might some games be played in neutral venues to reduce travel?
Aren’t Fiji basing themselves in South Africa?
1 month later
All Blacks v France Nations Championship: France to again send weakened team to NZ
@Tim said in Nations Championship:
All Blacks v France Nations Championship: France to again send weakened team to NZ
God i am glad that we do not have a player contracting/release model like france. What is the sentiment around this for french rugby fans?
@DurryMexted said in Nations Championship:
@Tim said in Nations Championship:
All Blacks v France Nations Championship: France to again send weakened team to NZ
God i am glad that we do not have a player contracting/release model like france. What is the sentiment around this for french rugby fans?
pretty sure they don't give a fuck. If it's not the 6-Nations or the RWC, it's club and daylight second
1 month later
It being reported that Fiji playing all their Nations cup games in northern hemisphere.
Understand why, but i's a shame really.
@Dan54 said in Nations Championship:
It being reported that Fiji playing all their Nations cup games in northern hemisphere.
Understand why, but i's a shame really.
Should ensure a huge pay day for them tho.
This is why the Nations champ is a good thing.
If these games were "normal friendlies" they would get F all.
Really like to know exactly what the revenue carve up model for this comp is
it'll be critical for the comps's success going forward
1 month later
Mick Byrne departs as Fiji coach.
@KiwiMurph said in Nations Championship:
I thought this whole competition was designed to avoid this
Fielding weaker squads
Player management
Joke
Fiji will make a pile of money, much more than they would at a regular Twickers "friendly" (ie nuthin).
That's no joke.
The joke will be if they actually win the game, very LOL.
Remember this is a "fair dinkum" type tournament, if you finish last, you get relegated.
29 days later
@mohikamo said in Nations Championship:
@Dan54 said in Nations Championship:
It being reported that Fiji playing all their Nations cup games in northern hemisphere.
Understand why, but i's a shame really.Should ensure a huge pay day for them tho.
This is why the Nations champ is a good thing.
If these games were "normal friendlies" they would get F all.
Really like to know exactly what the revenue carve up model for this comp is
it'll be critical for the comps's success going forward
I also see that Japan have to play Ireland in Newcastle , Aussie. Seems shit for Japan
@mohikamo said in Nations Championship:
Fiji will make a pile of money, much more than they would at a regular Twickers "friendly" (ie nuthin).
That's no joke.
The joke will be if they actually win the game, very LOL.Remember this is a "fair dinkum" type tournament, if you finish last, you get relegated.
Not actually true. All internationals at Twickenham (mens anyway) provide an appearance fee for the visiting team. Do Fiji get their true value? Well no unfortunately, though I can't find anything meaningful since 2016 when Fiji were paid £75K (SA got £750K the same year, NZ apparently were turned down after demanding £2M). What the financial situations are between Fiji and other countries I have no idea. I'd be interested to be enlightened on this point.
@Dan54 said in Nations Championship:
@mohikamo said in Nations Championship:
@Dan54 said in Nations Championship:
It being reported that Fiji playing all their Nations cup games in northern hemisphere.
Understand why, but i's a shame really.Should ensure a huge pay day for them tho.
This is why the Nations champ is a good thing.
If these games were "normal friendlies" they would get F all.
Really like to know exactly what the revenue carve up model for this comp is
it'll be critical for the comps's success going forwardI also see that Japan have to play Ireland in Newcastle , Aussie. Seems shit for Japan
Yeah of all places to play in Australia too... But Japan knew what they were in for when they signed up.
@Catogrande said in Nations Championship:
Not actually true. All internationals at Twickenham (mens anyway) provide an appearance fee for the visiting team. Do Fiji get their true value? Well no unfortunately, though I can't find anything meaningful since 2016 when Fiji were paid £75K (SA got £750K the same year, NZ apparently were turned down after demanding £2M). What the financial situations are between Fiji and other countries I have no idea. I'd be interested to be enlightened on this point.
It's a legacy from the amateur days when all the visiting teams got was expenses.
It was never like that in soccer football for example.
And it has persisted into the pro era, but seems to be slowly being broken down.
If a game is outside the "window" now, the revenue is shared more evenly.
The more equitable split of revenue is one of the drivers for setting up the Nations Championship.
England didn't play NZ outside of the normal rotation for a very longtime.
England v NZ (at Twickers) being a very big drawcard, but with the RFU refusing to come to the party, NZR quite naturally went fuck that.
Love to know what Fiji got for the games against England and France last season.
The big money games are the games against England and France, in England and in France.
NZR are well aware of that.
75K ten years aga is just expenses.
Fiji will get a lot more than 75K this year.
As for the saffers, they are too cheap, but everybody knows that.