@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@pakman said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
A small loosie Kirifi
A Big loosie???Can we please not categorise them like that?
Short, Tall, Grande and Venti?
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Squad for Africa named Monday, 27 July.
Very, very offensive.
Looking forward to hosting the islanders
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@pakman said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
A small loosie Kirifi
A Big loosie???Can we please not categorise them like that?
Short, Tall, Grande and Venti?
Tupou Venti goes alright.
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Squad for Africa named Monday, 27 July.
Very, very offensive.
Looking forward to hosting the islanders
Oh that continent, yeah I know the one you mean.
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Squad for Africa named Monday, 27 July.
Very, very offensive.
Looking forward to hosting the islanders
Oh that continent, yeah I know the one you mean.
Well done!
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Squad for Africa named Monday, 27 July.
Very, very offensive.
Looking forward to hosting the islanders
Oh that continent, yeah I know the one you mean.
Well done!
I admire the effort when English is probably not even your second language.
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@W32 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Squad for Africa named Monday, 27 July.
Very, very offensive.
Looking forward to hosting the islanders
Oh that continent, yeah I know the one you mean.
Well done!
I admire the effort when English is probably not even your second language.
I’m admiring the long bow you’re drawing!
@Rugbyman said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Extra 10 players: Norris, Bell, Mafileo, Holland, Ah Koi, Lio willie, Kirifi, Hotham, Ioane, Harkin.
Ah Khoi a good call. Lio Wille too small for RSA.
@pakman said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Rugbyman said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
Extra 10 players: Norris, Bell, Mafileo, Holland, Ah Koi, Lio willie, Kirifi, Hotham, Ioane, Harkin.
Ah Khoi a good call. Lio Wille too small for RSA.
TBH I think Ardie has stepped up to do the work CLW does, just with a bit more oomph.
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal Preston also didn't appear to be in tip top shape in SR.
Preston is such a weird selection. Converted to 80 minute games:
Super 2025 - 5.5
NPC 2025 - 3.5
Super 2026 3.
12 games over 2 years.
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal Preston also didn't appear to be in tip top shape in SR.
Preston is such a weird selection. Converted to 80 minute games:
Super 2025 - 5.5
NPC 2025 - 3.5
Super 2026 3.12 games over 2 years.
They might have seen something useful, brought him into camp and found out he wasn’t quite what they were looking for.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal Preston also didn't appear to be in tip top shape in SR.
Preston is such a weird selection. Converted to 80 minute games:
Super 2025 - 5.5
NPC 2025 - 3.5
Super 2026 3.12 games over 2 years.
They might have seen something useful, brought him into camp and found out he wasn’t quite what they were looking for.
Yeah being a (part-time) Crusader they would have had him in camp the weeks before the squad announcement too though eh? Guess the cupboard just is a bit bare.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Bones said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@ShaquilleOatmeal Preston also didn't appear to be in tip top shape in SR.
Preston is such a weird selection. Converted to 80 minute games:
Super 2025 - 5.5
NPC 2025 - 3.5
Super 2026 3.12 games over 2 years.
They might have seen something useful, brought him into camp and found out he wasn’t quite what they were looking for.
He was originally brought in as injury cover because the Canes preferred Enari and Viljoen.
He was always behind Hotham (arguably so) and that explains a lot of it.
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.
27 is not old. I would pick him if he's not going overseas.
@akan004 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.27 is not old. I would pick him if he's not going overseas.
No, it's not. But it is old for a debut when there are 4 test experienced guys ahead of you in the squad.
It would be like having Taylor, Aumua, Taukeiaho, Bell - then choosing Brad Slater instead of a Jack Taylor or Oudenryn as your 5th hooker.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@akan004 said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.27 is not old. I would pick him if he's not going overseas.
No, it's not. But it is old for a debut when there are 4 test experienced guys ahead of you in the squad.
It would be like having Taylor, Aumua, Taukeiaho, Bell - then choosing Brad Slater instead of a Jack Taylor or Oudenryn as your 5th hooker.
I disagree. I think you need to select the guy with the cooler head and who you think will be a better fit at test level right now. It's not like Harkin is in his 30s either, he's young enough to make the 2031 RWC.
Not doubting Kemara's talent, but he's not ready yet imo. Would hate to lose someone like Harkin to an overseas club just because we want to develop a younger player. If I had my way, I would leave Beauden at home and take both these guys to SA, along with Love and Mounga.
He's played there regularly for Wellingon and had four starts at 10 for the Hurricanes this year - I think that's probably enough to give an indication of his abilities. I'd have him in my squad to Africa over someone like Taha Kemara.
@frank said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
I actually think Patty T might be one of Rennie's top three preferred locks purely because of his power game.
When he's on form it's a delight to watch - a genuine difference maker with his power and willingness to be physical.
His display against the Irish is another good marker about the current environment - he looked unrecognisable from the player that finished the SR season.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
He's played there regularly for Wellingon and had four starts at 10 for the Hurricanes this year - I think that's probably enough to give an indication of his abilities. I'd have him in my squad to Africa over someone like Taha Kemara.
Has he really? I thought he had been mostly playing 15 for Welly too, but could easily be wrong.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
He's played there regularly for Wellingon and had four starts at 10 for the Hurricanes this year - I think that's probably enough to give an indication of his abilities. I'd have him in my squad to Africa over someone like Taha Kemara.
Harkin, a bit like Moorby is a very reliable player. If you had him at 10 or 15 for the ABs, he wouldn't let the jersey down. On form, he's definitely a chance for South Africa so will see what happens.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
He's played there regularly for Wellingon and had four starts at 10 for the Hurricanes this year - I think that's probably enough to give an indication of his abilities. I'd have him in my squad to Africa over someone like Taha Kemara.
Has he really? I thought he had been mostly playing 15 for Welly too, but could easily be wrong.
He's definitely played 15 the most but has also looked assured at 10 for the Canes and Lions in his 7 opportunties.
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.
I see McKenzie and Barrett more as 15s that can fill in at 10 and it sounds like Mo'unga has had a poor season so I'd like another 10 centric player developing.
I get your view though and I guess it depends on the aged triumverate that we've relied on the last ten years.
@reprobate Wasn’t Moorby debuting against the Italians at 28 and that seems to be going all good for him
@SecFid said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate Wasn’t Moorby debuting against the Italians at 28 and that seems to be going all good for him
Moorby has done well, I think Harkin probably would too. It's not his age, it's age plus where he sits in the pecking order - my argument is simply that I see the 5th 10 as a development spot and therefore I'd use it for a younger player when they seem of similar quality to me right now.
I won't be having a whinge if Harkin makes the squad, I'll be stoked for him - just not what I'd pick.
@reprobate Understood.
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.I see McKenzie and Barrett more as 15s that can fill in at 10 and it sounds like Mo'unga has had a poor season so I'd like another 10 centric player developing.
I get your view though and I guess it depends on the aged triumverate that we've relied on the last ten years.
Mounga had a poor season no not true
Rennie mentioned himself that Mounga he has watched for 3 seasons and has been phenomenal.
Hardly poor season according to Rennie.
@Chris said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.I see McKenzie and Barrett more as 15s that can fill in at 10 and it sounds like Mo'unga has had a poor season so I'd like another 10 centric player developing.
I get your view though and I guess it depends on the aged triumverate that we've relied on the last ten years.
Mounga had a poor season no not true
Rennie mentioned himself that Mounga he has watched for 3 seasons and has been phenomenal.
Hardly poor season according to Rennie.
I'm not arguing about Mo'unga's season but I'm starting to take Rennie's praise of players with a grain of salt after he's talked so many of them up. Retallick is supposedly the best lock in the world, McKenzie and Jordan are the two best fullbacks in the world and Barrett has been really impressive but not good enough to feature at all so far.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Chris said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@Jnr said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks Tour of South Africa 2026:
On the loosies, if they want a smaller Ardie then that's Kirifi. If they want a Jacobson ruck and tackle guy it might be Blackadder. They don't know themselves what they want at 6, but Casey and Barnes fit the work rate plus love of contact.
I wouldn't pick Harkin. We already have Love, McKenzie, Jordan, Moorby, Beauden, Jordie who can play fullback - admittedly too many of them might be in the top side, but Proctor has played there too as emergency cover. I'd rather they picked a 10 in Kemara and had BB play 15 midweek - that gives a more similar feel to what they are trying to achieve with the top side to me, and the midweek team needs to play the same style if we want players to step up smoothly.
I'd have Harkin. His preferred position is 1st 5 and he seems to have the mental attributes to go to the next level.
To me he has more potential upside over the the next 12 months than Kemara.
How many games did he start there this year, other than the Drua debacle?
I don't mind him, and you may well be right over the next 12 months - but he's 27, and when we have Love, McKenzie, Barrett, Mo'unga... I think we have the luxury of the next guy selected being younger i.e. looking beyond the next 12 months.I see McKenzie and Barrett more as 15s that can fill in at 10 and it sounds like Mo'unga has had a poor season so I'd like another 10 centric player developing.
I get your view though and I guess it depends on the aged triumverate that we've relied on the last ten years.
Mounga had a poor season no not true
Rennie mentioned himself that Mounga he has watched for 3 seasons and has been phenomenal.
Hardly poor season according to Rennie.I'm not arguing about Mo'unga's season but I'm starting to take Rennie's praise of players with a grain of salt after he's talked so many of them up. Retallick is supposedly the best lock in the world, McKenzie and Jordan are the two best fullbacks in the world and Barrett has been really impressive but not good enough to feature at all so far.
Then according to you Rennie is full of shit,?