I love the drama of the shootout but also feel like it's a bit of shit way to decide a game when 120 mins + stoppage couldn't separate two teams. Also, it ends up with some of the lesser players taking the spot kicks because of subs. Feels like luck plays too much of a deciding factor in the shootout.
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup:
I don’t really like his solution, but I don’t like extra time and a penalty shootout. What about a touch rugby style drop off? No result at full time? Go to extra time, and every two minutes someone from each team leaves the field. The order players are withdrawn has to be submitted prior to the start of ET, so there is some strategy involved. First team to score wins
I think extra time and then golden point time. Golden point time is where the game continues indefinitely until one side scores. Whoever scores first wins.
@brodean said in FIFA World Cup:
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup:
I don’t really like his solution, but I don’t like extra time and a penalty shootout. What about a touch rugby style drop off? No result at full time? Go to extra time, and every two minutes someone from each team leaves the field. The order players are withdrawn has to be submitted prior to the start of ET, so there is some strategy involved. First team to score wins
I think extra time and then golden point time. Golden point time is where the game continues indefinitely until one side scores. Whoever scores first wins.
That could result in some very, very long games and you'd probably run into TV scheduling issues.
They tried with the golden goal idea but that didn't work in soccer as teams were too scared to concede so played even more conservative in extra time so it achieved the reverse of what they were after.
I think penalties is fine, its great theartre.
@MajorStokes said in FIFA World Cup:
The drama of penalty shootouts is second to none on a sporting level.
I can’t see it changing. Some stats on goals scored / games won in extra time would be interesting to see if XT is worth it though.
yeah
i think the casters love the penalty shoot out
from most of the chat from players/coaches/commentators i'd say the majority are in inclined towards going directly to penalties after the 90
and i think i agree
in a tournament like this, a draining extra time might start to have an impact on the performance of the winning team in their next match
dont like that
@MajorStokes said in FIFA World Cup:
The drama of penalty shootouts is second to none on a sporting level.
I can’t see it changing. Some stats on goals scored / games won in extra time would be interesting to see if XT is worth it though.
I actually find penalty shootouts tedious…
But I appear to be in the minority.
@brodean said in FIFA World Cup:
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup:
I don’t really like his solution, but I don’t like extra time and a penalty shootout. What about a touch rugby style drop off? No result at full time? Go to extra time, and every two minutes someone from each team leaves the field. The order players are withdrawn has to be submitted prior to the start of ET, so there is some strategy involved. First team to score wins
I think extra time and then golden point time. Golden point time is where the game continues indefinitely until one side scores. Whoever scores first wins.
Don't mind the idea of XT, then GG, then penalties.
Messi stats at this WC:
8.2k distance covered per game (least of all Arg players)
Walked 47% of that distance
Made 2.7 sprints per match
Has had 33 shots at goal and created 21 chances (the most of any player at a WC since Maradona in 86)
Has an assist or goal in his last 15 WC games (16 goals and 7 assists)
Pretty amazing really
seems more like adapting, than declining.
@Windows97 said in FIFA World Cup:
@brodean said in FIFA World Cup:
@canefan said in FIFA World Cup:
I don’t really like his solution, but I don’t like extra time and a penalty shootout. What about a touch rugby style drop off? No result at full time? Go to extra time, and every two minutes someone from each team leaves the field. The order players are withdrawn has to be submitted prior to the start of ET, so there is some strategy involved. First team to score wins
I think extra time and then golden point time. Golden point time is where the game continues indefinitely until one side scores. Whoever scores first wins.
That could result in some very, very long games and you'd probably run into TV scheduling issues.
They tried with the golden goal idea but that didn't work in soccer as teams were too scared to concede so played even more conservative in extra time so it achieved the reverse of what they were after.
I think penalties is fine, its great theartre.
That is because they always had the fallback of penalties - remove penalties and teams might have more of a go, especially early on in extra time knowing that the longer it goes the likelier fatigue is to play a factor
Chatted at work about this today. We all didn’t mind the idea but can’t see it happening. Main reason is the 22 Final. Epic game, epic drama all the way to the final penalty.
Why would FIFA change?
This is playing out exactly how I thought it would. Spain dominating possession and playing defensively sound football. They are strangling France's vertical attack and funneling all their play to the wings where their lack of a 9 is showing up. France always have that ability to score in a flash but it might take something special to win this one.
@MajorStokes Didn't mean to sound negative. Just typical of what Spain do. They are the best tactical team in world football. Their players work so hard on and off the ball.
@allblacksfan2 Credit goes to Spain's defence. They strangled the French attack. France were never able to play through the middle in this game.
What a terrible performance by France. Le choke. Totally went to pieces on the big stage.
Hats off to Spain for taking advantage of France never waking up.
Parisian glazers will make a fortune tomorrow. When Algeria, Morocco or France or PSG Win, Lose or Draw the city of eternal light gets smashed up.
That was a totally dominant performance by Spain - just controlled the game and always looked like they could grab another goal if they needed it. Exposed that France effectively play (or want to play) a 4-2-4 and bossed the midfield. Penalty was a strange one and that seemed to deflate France.
@sparky said in FIFA World Cup:
What a terrible performance by France. Le choke. Totally went to pieces on the big stage.
Hats off to Spain for taking advantage of France never waking up.
Come on, Spain nullified them and cut off all France's methods of creating chances - which is what football is all about.
@KiwiPie Yep. The two man midfield is certainly a choice. You can get away with it against lesser teams but not against Spain. They're tactically the best team in the world. France have never been able to replace the likes of Pogba and Kante. They really have no one who can progress play from the back.
@sparky said in FIFA World Cup:
What a terrible performance by France. Le choke. Totally went to pieces on the big stage.
Hats off to Spain for taking advantage of France never waking up.
in a massive shock, just an absolutely smooth brained take. Spain beat the pants off them through hard work and technical ability. Nulified how France played and had the speed to cover even when France did get the looks they wanted. Very impressive.
England are much the same as France, big and fast. I can't see how they can beat this Spanish team. Argentina can because they have Messi who can unlock anyone without relying on just running fast.
This is the match in a nutshell.
That Spanish bank of 4 had carte blanche while Mbappe and the other sunshine boys seagulled up front.
Perspiration beat inspiration.
@Jet said in FIFA World Cup:
This is the match in a nutshell.
That Spanish bank of 4 had carte blanche while Mbappe and the other sunshine boys seagulled up front.
Perspiration beat inspiration.
So seagulling doesn't work?
Defence wins championships. And the Spanish are as technically clever with the ball as anyone in the world
@mariner4life said in FIFA World Cup:
@sparky said in FIFA World Cup:
What a terrible performance by France. Le choke. Totally went to pieces on the big stage.
Hats off to Spain for taking advantage of France never waking up.
England are much the same as France, big and fast. I can't see how they can beat this Spanish team.
They will need to get past Argentina first and I don't think they will.
But I can see England beating Spain if they take their chances and defend strongly. And show tactical adaptability across 90 or 120 minutes, as they did impressively against Mexico and Norway. Tuchel looks an upgrade on Southgate in his ability to see Plan A isn't working and implement Plan B, C or D in a match.
A big problem for England is that their Arsenal players (Rice, Saka, Madueke) looked flogged.
Looking ahead to tonight, I think Messi will the difference in a tight game. His record against Premier League defences is phenomenal. 27 goals in 35 matches. 9 of those against Arsenal.
Fair play to Paul Scholes and Arsene Wenger calling the first semi final correctly before hand.
Thierry Henry hits the nail on the head in terms of France's performance yesterday:
“That wasn’t a World Cup semi-final performance it was an embarrassment. With the quality in that dressing room, there is absolutely no excuse for playing with so little intensity, so little courage and so little pride.”
“I’m tired of hearing about talent. Talent means nothing if you don’t fight. Spain wanted every second ball, every duel and every attack more than France did. That’s unacceptable for a team that claims it wants to be world champions.”
“Too many players hid when the game became difficult. Where were the leaders? Where was the personality? Wearing the France shirt comes with responsibility, and tonight too many of them failed that responsibility completely.”
“You cannot walk around, lose simple passes, refuse to press and expect to beat a team like Spain. They made France look slow, confused and completely out of ideas. It was painful to watch.”
“If you don’t have the courage to compete in a World Cup semi-final, then you don’t deserve to be in the final. Simple. Spain didn’t just outplay France they outworked them, outthought them and outclassed them.”
“Every player in that dressing room needs to look in the mirror because this performance was nowhere near the standard of France. Reputation won’t save you. Medals aren’t given for big names they’re earned by players willing to fight for every single ball, and tonight Spain wanted it far more."
@sparky said in FIFA World Cup:
@KiwiPie What were the French team expecting? Spain to stand off them?
Cape Verde gave Spain more of a match than that.
The same Cape Verde that were extremely unlucky to not beat Argentina in the R32. Not sure that’s a great comparison.
France just looked like a team of superstars being outworked by a champion team. I know DD has the record for wins in world cups but he has come up short tactically the last few tournaments. Opting for a midfield two against Spain's midfield was just conceding the the entire middle of the pitch before the game had been played. Feel like he should have done more with this golden generation of French players. 1 World Cup win out of 4 tournaments is great by most standards, but not for the talent he has had at his disposal. The only time he got it tactically right was in 2018 when he came in with a more conservative gameplan (Matuidi playing on the wing and putting in massive defensive shifts) and looked to catch teams in transition. These last two cups its looked kind of like the early Fozzie All Blacks years. Beat the other team solely through talent.
@Frank said in FIFA World Cup:
Probably a very tall order, but I really hope England can win the whole thing.
I hope so too. Would be nice see them end their 60 year drought.
@ACT-Crusader Now compare the weekly wages of the French team and the Cape Verde team.
Huge credit to Cape Verde for working so hard. France were off it last night, partly because of Spanish brilliance but partly because they were off it and got their game plan and approach to the game wrong.
Quality of chances Spain have faced (xG) this tournament
Cape Verde, 0.2
Saudi, 0.14
Uruguay, 0.2
Austria, 0.32
Portugal, 0.63
Belgium, 0.34
France, 0.3
One goal conceded, and it's as much about their midfield as defence.
Spain are most vulnerable to a clinical team like Argentina or England. It should be a fascinating final.