@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@rotated said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@SammyC said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

The guys not a true fan, because he’s only shown up on a virtually unknown NZ sports forum in the last month, when he should have known about this place years ago? Give me a break

Exactly. Unless you find this forum looking for answers after a disastrous World Cup exit you are no fan at all.

Haha

Folks are getting triggered with chat from a confident Jagaures fan with a dose of banter/trolling :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

Can I also declare my UNDYING support and fandom of the Jaguares from their 1st match in SR vs Cheetahs in 2016

Sure you can....once you stop sincerely apologising for events you have no input or contributions to

@Siam

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

People could learn something about humility and sportsmanship from young Sammie.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Bones said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real Salty? Did you and c4l go to the same school? Pretty odd you think I'm upset....only thing that is slightly perturbing is I used to love following the hags, now we get one of their "supporters" on and it has kinda ruined it, at least the team seem humble and not braggadocious and deluded.

It was certainly an ugly win, at home and scraping past a team that supposedly shouldn't have even bothered turning up. Good luck beating the Brumbies....

I see you liked Jaguares when they were crap at winning games but were entertaining in throwing the ball around, offloading at will
& playing from anywhere

Yes I did, what's the issue with that? Should we only like teams if they win? Proving your class again.

Jaguares are NOT the Sunwolves who are mere cannon fodder full of 2nd rate Kiwis AUS Saffa & PI players becoming "Japanese"

Genius, I'm sure so many thought they were the sunwolves, thanks for pointing that out. I'm sure the "Japanese" appreciate it.

I sincerely apologise for Jaguares for being successful and celebrating it

I sincerely apologise for Jaguares honouring SANZAAR T & C;s & repatriating their players at great expense unlike a disgusting Barbarians side based in Singapore/Japan

I sincerely apologise for Jaguares providing best atmosphere of any Super Rugby ground

What?

And @SammyC i highly doubt it's j4l's first time here...bit weird we're not allowed to respond to trolling though, what was the correct response sorry?

@Bones said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Bones said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

And @SammyC i highly doubt it's j4l's first time here...bit weird we're not allowed to respond to trolling though, what was the correct response sorry?

Lol, I never said don’t respond to him, or at least I didn’t mean that. The entertaining part is the debate.

Just dont call him a retard, or suggest he’s not a real fan because he’d never heard of a kiwi sports forum until recently.

@SammyC said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Bones said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Bones said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

And @SammyC i highly doubt it's j4l's first time here...bit weird we're not allowed to respond to trolling though, what was the correct response sorry?

Lol, I never said don’t respond to him, or at least I didn’t mean that. The entertaining part is the debate.

Just dont call him a retard, or suggest he’s not a real fan because he’d never heard of a kiwi sports forum until recently.

Yep debate is entertaining, not dicks who troll with stuff like how they've "triggered" people, decide Chiefs fans are making excuses when fans of another team query something, decide what other people like and dislike and make grandiose or bullshit statements then go on about how they're joking or winding people up.

@taniwharugby said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Shame you werent around supporting the Jags when they were struggling and have only jumped on here in the last month to peddle your wares as they were playing well...true fan here.

edit: ok so questioning him being a true fan was a bit off, more that we have had so many trolls pop in when thier team is doing well (or post AB losses) only for most to slither away when thier team loses...hopefully this cat aint one of them, as it is good for a variety of posters

@SammyC I did edit my post later re him being a real fan.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@ACT-Crusader said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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I disagree with your POV re level of Jaguares performance

They've played better vs Canes Sharks twice Waratahs Sunwolves

With ball in hand Jaguares were average

WITHOUT the ball Jaguares were phenomenal

Here I;d agree with & state that was their best performance of the season Chiefs only scored 1 try in the game and that was in dubious circumstances

This was well below their average of 4 tries per game (63 total)

Jaguares were belting dudes in defence They had an ability to step up their intensity to a level the Chiefs could not handle No shame in that for the Chiefs

I've got a thick skin I can take it as much as I can give it

But I'm on a Kiwi forum so when it comes to arrogance in rugby I'd though I go native: You know when in Rome.........

What an outstanding post, every word an insightful gem. . .

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

Dude. What are the eyes emoticon signifying? Over my head

@Jaguares4real

Crusaders have 16 All Blacks in matchday 23

Hurricanes have 13 ABs

Chiefs have 11 ABs

Bulls have 12 Springboks in their 23

Stormers have 12 Boks in their 23

Sharks have 14 Boks in their 23

Brumbies have 14 have Wallabies in their 23

Waratahs have 15 Wallabies in their 23

Rebels have 15 Wallabies in their 23

Kick ALL these team out of Super Rugby

Maybe you now when someone say

JaGuArEs ArE aN iTeRnAtIoNaL tEaM

They're talking out of their backside/misinformed

We have 11 ABs? Jesus

@booboo

Depends on the context

It can mean WOW that's impressive as I was implying

Something that is shocking in a good or bad way

Something that's literally caught my eye on a basic level etc.......

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

We have 11 ABs? Jesus

Off the top of my head ...

Moli
Hames
Harris
Ta'avao
Laulala
Retallick
Cane
TTT
ALB
DMac
...

Yep, you need to fill me in.

@booboo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

We have 11 ABs? Jesus

Off the top of my head ...

Moli
Hames
Harris
Ta'avao
Laulala
Retallick
Cane
TTT
ALB
DMac
...

Yep, you need to fill me in.

Oh yeah.
Weber

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

We have 11 ABs? Jesus

No BS

It's also an indicator that just using how many players have been capped internationally is a TERRIBLE metric to use to indicate quality of players

Especially with smaller nations like Argentina & Scotland who combined have 3 professional sides

Hence they'll have a higher % of players who've played for Scotland or Argentina as they have a smaller player pool to choose from

Finally Argentina have a 2nd team called Argentina XV

They played in a tournament in Uruguay this month - conceded 48 points in losing to Russia and got dusted up by Uruguay

These games were International test matches btw so players would've been capped

Finally bear in Mind Argentina were playing Int'l rugby regularly in the Rugby Championship FOUR years before they starting playing Super Rugby

Plus the game over there is entirely amateur - No Mitre 10, Currie Cup, Shute Shueld/NRC

Hence their U20 side Pumitas are a big development tool for ARG rugby and that's been going very well recently

Number of players have graduated from U20 to Jaguares in last 2 years
and this will increase over next 2 years

Plus there'll be a Pampas XV playing Currie Cup every year starting in July

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

Im still struggling to see what the fuck your point is.

The jags won lots of games this season? No shit, that is how they won their conference. Is someone claiming they didn’t win these games?

You are deluded if you think your team is unbeatable on any given day. The 75% win percentage kind of proves that.

Your claim about them rattling cages and being a super rugby powerhouse is laughable. They might even win the comp this year and it would still be laughable.

@pukunui said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

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Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

Im still struggling to see what the fuck your point is.

The jags won lots of games this season? No shit, that is how they won their conference. Is someone claiming they didn’t win these games?

You are deluded if you think your team is unbeatable on any given day. The 75% win percentage kind of proves that.

Your claim about them rattling cages and being a super rugby powerhouse is laughable. They might even win the comp this year and it would still be laughable.

Am wondering who is upset by the Hawaray's success?

Sure us Chiefs supporters, and many Whichever-NZ-team-is-playing supporters wanted the Chiefs to win, but not sure anyone is resenting the Jagularee's success ...

... methinks J4L is attempting to create some angst that isn't there.

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

@booboo totally is.

The angst is with the trolling. I predicted them to win and now getting my nose rubbed in it like I predicted a 66-0 drubbing.

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

Can't be playing that game

You're a capped International whether you've played 1 test match or 100 test matches

Unless your're willing to admit using Test matches as a metric of ability & quality is a crude and simplistic measure

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

Can't be playing that game

You're a capped International whether you've played 1 test match or 100 test matches

Unless your're willing to admit using Test matches as a metric of ability & quality is a crude and simplistic measure

Yes Moli is exactly the same as Cane - TBH, I can't be arsed with your trolling, I'm out.

It's even posting to itself and trying to argue with that, brilliant. Hooroos is Kearns for asking if the hags can beat their next two opponents? The drugs are strong with this one.

I'm lost, so will the Jags beat the Crusaders and Brumbies with their test team or not?

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real

Crusaders have 16 All Blacks in matchday 23

Only 16? Not if I were an AB selector

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode

One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend

HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that

Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches

2 years of futility and incompetence

2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh

Both sides are of a similar quality

I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies

Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC

See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons

Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor

Hence players took positions for granted

No young people were developed or utilised

General malaise set into ARG rugby

Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode

One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend

HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that

Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches

2 years of futility and incompetence

2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh

Both sides are of a similar quality

I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies

Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC

See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons

Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor

Hence players took positions for granted

No young people were developed or utilised

General malaise set into ARG rugby

Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year

I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"

Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland

U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division

Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"

Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland

U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division

Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland

Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world does your arguement no favours either.

Can you make sure you post on here whether or not Argentina have "checked out" prior to each game they play ? will make tipping the results much easier.

Mucho Gracias.

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players

Let see how Los Pumas get on this season

Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season

Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year

Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

I'm ignoring the latter part of your post as it has little to do with your comment ...

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

and @MN5 s reply...

Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world

IF Los Pumas cared about RWCs and TRC while not caring about 'friendlies' their ranking would be higher than 10. It would come from performing against top sides and during a double points period.

No question that they are on the up now and trucking nicely, but trying to explain away losses and low rankings with an argument of 'they save themselves for when it matters' holds no water at all.

To explain it clearly let's say they won more than one game against tier one opposition at RWC 2015. They would have had a start of this cycle well up the rankings. Performances better than 3 wins out of 18 TRC matches in this cycle would have maintained some healthiness.

I get your other points but @MN5 s comment was bang on and not obtuse OR dense.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players

Let see how Los Pumas get on this season

Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season

Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year

Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.