@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

We have 11 ABs? Jesus

No BS

It's also an indicator that just using how many players have been capped internationally is a TERRIBLE metric to use to indicate quality of players

Especially with smaller nations like Argentina & Scotland who combined have 3 professional sides

Hence they'll have a higher % of players who've played for Scotland or Argentina as they have a smaller player pool to choose from

Finally Argentina have a 2nd team called Argentina XV

They played in a tournament in Uruguay this month - conceded 48 points in losing to Russia and got dusted up by Uruguay

These games were International test matches btw so players would've been capped

Finally bear in Mind Argentina were playing Int'l rugby regularly in the Rugby Championship FOUR years before they starting playing Super Rugby

Plus the game over there is entirely amateur - No Mitre 10, Currie Cup, Shute Shueld/NRC

Hence their U20 side Pumitas are a big development tool for ARG rugby and that's been going very well recently

Number of players have graduated from U20 to Jaguares in last 2 years
and this will increase over next 2 years

Plus there'll be a Pampas XV playing Currie Cup every year starting in July

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Posted without Comment:

Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

Im still struggling to see what the fuck your point is.

The jags won lots of games this season? No shit, that is how they won their conference. Is someone claiming they didn’t win these games?

You are deluded if you think your team is unbeatable on any given day. The 75% win percentage kind of proves that.

Your claim about them rattling cages and being a super rugby powerhouse is laughable. They might even win the comp this year and it would still be laughable.

@pukunui said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Posted without Comment:

Sam Cane said:

"The team that defended the best tonight won, and that was Jaguares. I thought their defense was outstanding. We made more mistakes, and it was due to that pressure."

"They attacked the breakdown very well, we struggled to get any quick ball, and because of that their defense was set and they just kept coming at us."

"They thoroughly deserved the win, they came here to play. The style of rugby they played tonight I think it will bode very well for them, hopefully for the next 2 weeks."

:smiling_face_with_heart-eyes: :smiling_face_with_heart-eyes:

So brumbies next and the. Crusaders. Can you beat both of them with your test team?

I knew we would get this stage with the Phil Kearns narrative coming from a Kiwi poster

It's a sign of Jaguares success rattling some cages & potential of a Frankenstein monster emerging & becoming a potential powerhouse in Super Rugby

Real Reason why Kearns was such a was that Jaguares dusted up his beloved Waratahs team +

Jaguares in their last 24 regular season games have beaten

Sharks three times Bulls three times Stormers twice

Blues twice Hurricanes Chiefs

Brumbies twice Rebels Waratahs Reds Sunwolves

I mean that's only a 75% winning record

Only Hurricanes & Crusaders have won more than the 20 victories the Jaguares have collected in last 2 season (32 matches)

These are spectacular numbers

Im still struggling to see what the fuck your point is.

The jags won lots of games this season? No shit, that is how they won their conference. Is someone claiming they didn’t win these games?

You are deluded if you think your team is unbeatable on any given day. The 75% win percentage kind of proves that.

Your claim about them rattling cages and being a super rugby powerhouse is laughable. They might even win the comp this year and it would still be laughable.

Am wondering who is upset by the Hawaray's success?

Sure us Chiefs supporters, and many Whichever-NZ-team-is-playing supporters wanted the Chiefs to win, but not sure anyone is resenting the Jagularee's success ...

... methinks J4L is attempting to create some angst that isn't there.

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

@booboo totally is.

The angst is with the trolling. I predicted them to win and now getting my nose rubbed in it like I predicted a 66-0 drubbing.

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

Can't be playing that game

You're a capped International whether you've played 1 test match or 100 test matches

Unless your're willing to admit using Test matches as a metric of ability & quality is a crude and simplistic measure

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Riiiiight so you're stretching a bit there.

Basically we have three - BBBR, ALB and Cane plus DMac if he wasn't out for the season.

Can't be playing that game

You're a capped International whether you've played 1 test match or 100 test matches

Unless your're willing to admit using Test matches as a metric of ability & quality is a crude and simplistic measure

Yes Moli is exactly the same as Cane - TBH, I can't be arsed with your trolling, I'm out.

It's even posting to itself and trying to argue with that, brilliant. Hooroos is Kearns for asking if the hags can beat their next two opponents? The drugs are strong with this one.

I'm lost, so will the Jags beat the Crusaders and Brumbies with their test team or not?

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real

Crusaders have 16 All Blacks in matchday 23

Only 16? Not if I were an AB selector

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode

One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend

HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that

Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches

2 years of futility and incompetence

2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh

Both sides are of a similar quality

I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies

Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC

See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons

Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor

Hence players took positions for granted

No young people were developed or utilised

General malaise set into ARG rugby

Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?

I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.

Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode

One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend

HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that

Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches

2 years of futility and incompetence

2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh

Both sides are of a similar quality

I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies

Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC

See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons

Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor

Hence players took positions for granted

No young people were developed or utilised

General malaise set into ARG rugby

Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year

I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"

Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland

U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division

Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"

Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland

U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division

Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland

Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world does your arguement no favours either.

Can you make sure you post on here whether or not Argentina have "checked out" prior to each game they play ? will make tipping the results much easier.

Mucho Gracias.

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players

Let see how Los Pumas get on this season

Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season

Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year

Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

I'm ignoring the latter part of your post as it has little to do with your comment ...

Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts

and @MN5 s reply...

Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world

IF Los Pumas cared about RWCs and TRC while not caring about 'friendlies' their ranking would be higher than 10. It would come from performing against top sides and during a double points period.

No question that they are on the up now and trucking nicely, but trying to explain away losses and low rankings with an argument of 'they save themselves for when it matters' holds no water at all.

To explain it clearly let's say they won more than one game against tier one opposition at RWC 2015. They would have had a start of this cycle well up the rankings. Performances better than 3 wins out of 18 TRC matches in this cycle would have maintained some healthiness.

I get your other points but @MN5 s comment was bang on and not obtuse OR dense.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players

Let see how Los Pumas get on this season

Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season

Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year

Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together

No you can't. Not materially anyway.

I think you best go and research how the rankings points work.

Oh, and rankings aren't meaningless when it comes to RWC draws and tiers (and therefore your chances)

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**

OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**

OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?

That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'

@Crucial said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**

OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?

That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'

Some of the soccer countries are starting to refer to them as Friendlies.

Like hell they're Friendlies. They're Test Matches.

I blame Pichot (and Deans)

@booboo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Crucial said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**

OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?

That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'

Some of the soccer countries are starting to refer to them as Friendlies.

Like hell they're Friendlies. They're Test Matches.

I blame Pichot (and Deans)

they are referred to as ''friendlies" by shit teams who lose a lot

My prediction at the start of the year was that the Chiefs wouldn't win a playoff game with Weber at halfback.

@Tim said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

My prediction at the start of the year was that the Chiefs wouldn't win a playoff game with Weber at halfback.

That's OK, my prediction was that the Chiefs would make the playoffs with Weber and the Blues wouldn't make the playoffs with anyone.

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@MN5

As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you

Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:

A. Meaningless

B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies

There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months

Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018

As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019

Times are changing

Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game

Says who ?

I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.

Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.

ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era

Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points

**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term

RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**

OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?

Pub quiz in Glasgow.. "And the final question to win the £200 is:
Take Thats first album consisted of four words, the first two words were "Take That" so what was the second two words. . .?

There was a long pause then a wee Glasgow man pipes up...

Was it "Ya C@nt"...?!