@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@No-Quarter said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Donsteppa said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

If DMac was fit we would be favourites for the whole comp

I've gone from wild pessimism about not winning a game all season after that first mauling from the Crusaders, to ridiculous optimism about flying back and forth around the globe and beating everyone over the next three weeks!

That's the spirit! My hypocrisy knows no bounds when it comes to supporting the chiefs!!!

Fact is the Chiefs are a threat to any team when they have Cane and BBBR both fit and firing. History shows the travel is a bit of a killer, but you're optimism is not completely misplaced. This should be a cracking game.

Meh

Chiefs pack is run of the mill with a few star players

Jaguares play 4 SA side who ALL have better packs than the Chiefs

Which is why, of course, those SA sides finished so highly up the tables, having demolished the NZ sides with those superior packs.

No, wait, ....

I'm intrigued why you think the SA packs are superior -- and this is a game-winning attribute -- when it clearly isn't.

The Chiefs don't need to win it in the forwards. All they need to do is not lose it.

Meh

Chiefs pack is run of the mill with a few star players

Jaguares play 4 SA side who ALL have better packs than the Chiefs

Which is why, of course, those SA sides finished so highly up the tables, having demolished the NZ sides with those superior packs.

No, wait, ....

I'm intrigued why you think the SA packs are superior -- and this is a game-winning attribute -- when it clearly isn't.

The Chiefs don't need to win it in the forwards. All they need to do is not lose it.

Having a very good pack is nice starting point but isn't much use if your team is badly coached,has a lack of quality starting #10

Nepotism can also affect the team negatively Poor skill levels as well can be detrimental to a team Having your team decimated by players going to Europe/Japan will also likely weaken your team overall

The above scenarios explain why the SA sides whilst having dominant packs have struggled to be consistent this season

Let's not kid ourselves Chiefs are closer to SA sides than Jaguares

You have Crusaders Jaguares Hurricanes and Brumbies on a level way above everyone else

We're looking at a 2 game sample for the Chiefs :face_screaming_in_fear: :face_screaming_in_fear:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Meh

Chiefs pack is run of the mill with a few star players

Jaguares play 4 SA side who ALL have better packs than the Chiefs

Which is why, of course, those SA sides finished so highly up the tables, having demolished the NZ sides with those superior packs.

No, wait, ....

I'm intrigued why you think the SA packs are superior -- and this is a game-winning attribute -- when it clearly isn't.

The Chiefs don't need to win it in the forwards. All they need to do is not lose it.

Having a very good pack is nice starting point but isn't much use if your team is badly coached,has a lack of quality starting #10

Nepotism can also affect the team negatively Poor skill levels as well can be detrimental to a team Having your team decimated by players going to Europe/Japan will also likely weaken your team overall

The above scenarios explain why the SA sides whilst having dominant packs have struggled to be consistent this season

Let's not kid ourselves Chiefs are closer to SA sides than Jaguares

You have Crusaders Jaguares Hurricanes and Brumbies on a level way above everyone else

We're looking at a 2 game sample for the Chiefs :face_screaming_in_fear: :face_screaming_in_fear:

Chiefs did enough to finish 7th.

3rd in the pool that delivered 4 quarter finalists.

Beat some teams with MAAAAASSSSIVVVE forward packs.

Obviously they have a piss weak forward pack ...

I'm thinking Jagulars win this, and are deserved favourites, but I'm not convinced by your logic @Jaguares4real.

60/40 Jagulars to win.

Chiefs

1 Atu Moli (37)
2 Nathan Harris (57)
3 Angus Ta’avao (31)
4 Brodie Retallick (106)
5 Tyler Ardron (27)
6 Lachlan Boshier (43)
7 Sam Cane (110) (c)
8 Pita Gus Sowakula (14)
9 Brad Weber (71)
10 Jack Debreczeni (5)
11 Sean Wainui (25)
12 Anton Lienert-Brown (68)
13 Tumua Manu (15)
14 Shaun Stevenson (43)
15 Solomon Alaimalo (37)

Reserves:
16 Samisoni Taukei’aho (25)
17 Aidan Ross (24)
18 Nepo Laulala (31)
19 Jesse Parete (23)
20 Mitchell Jacobson (3)
21 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (31)
22 Marty McKenzie (30)
23 Alex Nankivell (21)/Ataata Moeakiola (9)

() = Gallagher Chiefs caps in brackets

Unavailable for selection:
Bailyn Sullivan, Damian McKenzie, Etene Nanai-Seturo, Fin Hoeata, Kane Hames, Laghlan McWhannell, Liam Polwart, Luke Jacobson, Michael Allardice, Mitchell Brown, Mitchell Karpik, Reuben O’Neill, Sam McNicol, Taleni Seu and Tiaan Falcon.

Can’t argue with that line up at all.

@Crucial said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Can’t argue with that line up at all.

Chiefs by 10!

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

You have Crusaders Jaguares Hurricanes and Brumbies on a level way above everyone else

Debresceni deserves a lot of credit for how he's played lately. Noticable that chiefs playing well since he's been there

That tight five ... only 4 All Blacks and a Canadian international, with only one AB on the bench.

Handy looking team.

@taniwharugby said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

You have Crusaders Jaguares Hurricanes and Brumbies on a level way above everyone else

For all the Kiwis who don't watch Super Rugby out of NZ sides

Brumbies won 10 games including their last 6 in a row

7 game winning streak at home Won their conference by 14 points

Beat Stormers in CT

Gave Jaguares a good game in BA when Jaguares were starting to fire

Battered Bulls + Lions at home

Battered Chiefs at home

Best win of the season though was beating Blues at home coming off a tough 2 game tour of SA + ARG whilst Blues were fresh off a bye

Need I go on...........

I'm here all week for any other parochial Kiwis

LOL Best win beating the (13th place) Blues....

I don't disagree that the Brumbies have been good, but that is a real reach.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@taniwharugby said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

You have Crusaders Jaguares Hurricanes and Brumbies on a level way above everyone else

For all the Kiwis who don't watch Super Rugby out of NZ sides

Brumbies won 10 games including their last 6 in a row

7 game winning streak at home Won their conference by 14 points

Beat Stormers in CT

Gave Jaguares a good game in BA when Jaguares were starting to fire

Battered Bulls + Lions at home

Battered Chiefs at home

Best win of the season though was beating Blues at home coming off a tough 2 game tour of SA + ARG whilst Blues were fresh off a bye

Need I go on...........

I'm here all week for any other parochial Kiwis

The more I think about this game, the more I think we will win. Your team is no where near as good as you think it is. We finally have a near full strength team and will beat you by at least a converted try.

You still had a good season and nothing to be ashamed of, for sure.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Best win of the season though was beating Blues at home coming off a tough 2 game tour of SA + ARG whilst Blues were fresh off a bye

ah righto....any statement that includes 'best win over blues' ...

amusing how you are dismissve of Kiwis opinions and find rubbish statements ot back up yours.

Dont get me wrong, the Jaguares have played well, and deserve to be clear favorites in this match, but to be as dismissive of the Chiefs as you have, and then to question how much rugby I watch?

Based on your pumping, the Jaguares should win by about 20 points, although I suspect some of what are posting is just trolling.

@Hooroo

The ignorance is embarrassing to see

You'd think Jaguares were playing 2012 Chiefs ffs

Can we have some Kiwis on here who've actually watched more than 1 or 2 fucking Jaguares games this season

7 wins and a negative Points difference hardly screams Champion Side :grinning_face: :grinning_face:

Only 17 pts behind Hurricanes & 22 points behind Crusaders

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Hooroo

The ignorance is embarrassing to see

You'd think Jaguares were playing 2012 Chiefs ffs

Can we have some Kiwis on here who've actually watched more than 1 or 2 fucking Jaguares games this season

7 wins and a negative Points difference hardly screams Champion Side :grinning_face: :grinning_face:

Only 17 pts behind Hurricanes & 22 points behind Crusaders

Don't get me wrong, we're not a champion side. Thing is, neither are the Jaguares.

Going to be a real humiliator for you when we win.

It's not ignorance either, it's arrogance

@Jaguares4real I have watched all Jaguares games, all Chiefs games, and almost all other games.

The Jaguares have improved since the beginning of the season. The Chiefs have improved a lot since the beginning of the season.

I see the Jaguares as clear favourites for this game, but I agree with others that you too easily dismiss the Chiefs' chances.

I actually find the Jaguares more dangerous in the backs than in the forwards.

Sorry, I don't have more time to post a longer contribution, but I think you're underestimating the Chiefs.

@taniwharugby said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

our pumping, the Jaguares should win by about 20 po

I said it was their BEST win

This was said in the context of a tough 2 game tour where they had to make over 200 tackles and hold off a Stormers team formidable at home

Then backed it up against the Jaguares who were starting to hit their straps

That game was a real street fight Brumbies impressed in defeat

They THEN flew black home to play an team who hadn't played the previous week and won convincingly

CONTEXT matters

BTW Brumbies best PERFORMANCE was hammering the Chiefs but I don't want to remind Chiefs fans of that....................

I think some forfeits need to be done by the losing supporters, now this is getting tasty banter.

@Stargazer

Boffelli being fit is a massive boost for Jaguares

Guy is a major strike weapon and is dominant in contestable kicks

pffft, that team doesn't even have one New Zealander in it, they have no chance

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

pffft, that team doesn't even have one New Zealander in it, they have no chance

I know

I need to get back on message then

The irony is that Jaguares this year have largely resembled a Kiwi SR team in that they kick alot and very well

Deadly in transitions from turnovers and unstructured play

Willingness to attack breakdowns and concede penalties

Good ball skills to boot

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

pffft, that team doesn't even have one New Zealander in it, they have no chance

Bunch of no-names! I've heard of that chap with a 2 on his back. Plays front row I believe

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

pffft, that team doesn't even have one New Zealander in it, they have no chance

I know

I need to get back on message then

The irony is that Jaguares this year have largely resembled a Kiwi SR team in that they kick alot and very well

Deadly in transitions from turnovers and unstructured play

Willingness to attack breakdowns and concede penalties

Good ball skills to boot

didn't beat the Chiefs though, even when we were dogshit.

Chiefs by a thousand, start booking tickets to Canberra

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@mariner4life said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

pffft, that team doesn't even have one New Zealander in it, they have no chance

I know

I need to get back on message then

The irony is that Jaguares this year have largely resembled a Kiwi SR team in that they kick alot and very well

Deadly in transitions from turnovers and unstructured play

Willingness to attack breakdowns and concede penalties

Good ball skills to boot

didn't beat the Chiefs though, even when we were dogshit.

Chiefs by a thousand, start booking tickets to Canberra

:globe_showing_americas:

@Jaguares4real great banter fella,keep it up.

I think this is the game fo the round - really looking forward to it. I reckon the Jags may have a good crack at this, I'd have them as favourites. Chiefs in their current mood and confidence though, with Brodie and Sam ... well I would struggle to bet against them.

Jags have done well this season, and stoked to see them do it. Question is whether they'll put it out there when it really matters, at home ... pressure and favouritism does funny things to sides

@Jaguares4real has out Cantab-ed the Cantabs.

A++ (That’s an HD to you few youngins on here).

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real has out Cantab-ed the Cantabs.

A++ (That’s an HD to you few youngins on here).

pot, kettle, black

Go the Jaguares

@SammyC said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Nepia said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real has out Cantab-ed the Cantabs.

A++ (That’s an HD to you few youngins on here).

pot, kettle, black

Go the Jaguares

motherf...

i thought we were boys

@SammyC Never in my wildest dreams to I believe the Magpies are going to win every game they play and the opposition are bumbling idiots (unless we’re playing the Poo then that is 100% true).

@Nepia We never give up hope of it happening though!

It's cute the Jags made the finals, so will be sad to see them go. But, the Chiefs are so good they even have retired players making it to the quarters.

A factor seemingly being overlooked

Playoff experience. It matters.

@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

Chiefs rely on 4-5 star players Limit them

Yes, good game plan but easier said than done.

Pre-game from the coach: "And if you don't let that big hua get the ball, we should strangle them into errors at their end of the park".
Half time chat: "I told you not to let him get the ball".
Post game in the shed: "As a team we were better, pity they've got him".

@Yeahtheboys said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real you’re gonna look like a fucken retard if your team loses

And yet slightly less than you...

@Yeahtheboys said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:

@Jaguares4real you’re gonna look like a fucken retard if your team loses

nah he's not. i'm good with it. It beats "banana skin game" and fake attempts at underdog status that normally flies around here. Fuck it, his team is playing well, they are at home, and he has every right to be confident.

@mariner4life

Indeed

When you've won your last 5 home games

Won your Conference by 10 points and 11 wins overall

9 wins out of last 10 games

I mean why wouldn't Jaguares be confident.....

I'm not one for hyping up Kiwi SR sides

You front up psychically and hit them in the mouth in defence they bleed

Kick well and you're well on the way to winning

But I understand, Jaguares are going to have have beat a few Kiwi sides in playoff games to have some respect put on their name

oh no totally, it's actually pretty easy to beat the NZ sides. Which is why NZ teams have made up a measly 50% of the playoff sides in the last 5 years. And Have made up an even more embarrassingly small 69% of semi finalists. Even worse, they've only been 63% of finalists in that time. And, most telling of all, they have only won 100% of those finals.

Just smack them in the mouth. No worries.

I wonder if blues fans are tempted to jump on the Chiefs bandwagon ? Shouldn't be too difficult ,it is the sort of vehicle you tend to see around Auckland anyway.