@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Nah Not feeling that

> Test Matches are largely mealiness IMO

Too many teams play each other too often

Los Pumas don't have the playing pool of other nations so need to prioritise accordingly Add to that a diabolical travel itinerary & there's a need to be pragmatic

TRC matters

June Test matches & EOYT to Europe are a distinct 2nd priority for Pumas

> Los Pumas have a track record of delivering spectacular results in RWC

As long as that continues I can live with mediocre to crap results in "Test Matches" outside of TRC

8 wins & 29 losses in games post RWC 2015 is terrible & that includes 4 wins over Tier 2 nations - Japan Georgia & Italy

I understand where you are coming from with all your points and have highlighted the two I don't necessarily agree with.

TEst matches will never be meaningless. Some may be more meaningful than others, but none are really meaningless.

And spectacular isn't the right word. I would say in 2 world cups they have outperformed. Which is 25%, so I don't think your track record comment is overly accurate. Having said that, their demolition of Ireland in 2015 was probably my match of the tournament. I'd say that game was spectacular.

I will certainly give them the credit they deserve for improvement since joining TRC. Although 7 of 8 wooden spoons doesn't give off that. Was surprised to read that as I've felt they've been a nice addition.

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5

If that's what you got from my last reply, then you're probably wasting your time reading

Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.

Also 7 out of 8 wooden spoons in TRC puts things in perspective a bit too don't you think ?

@MN5 scoring a last minute try to beat Scotland in RWC 2011 that effectively knocked Scotland out of the tournament was pretty stunning.....

@KiwiMurph was only Scotland....

Argies generally have the wood on the French in RWCs

For all the piss and bluster, a strong Argies is fantastic for world rugby, hopefully the Jaguares can transform Super form into International form now.

@KiwiMurph said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5 scoring a last minute try to beat Scotland in RWC 2011 that effectively knocked Scotland out of the tournament was pretty stunning.....

Whatever. It was only fucken Scotland.

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5

If that's what you got from my last reply, then you're probably wasting your time reading

Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.

Also 7 out of 8 wooden spoons in TRC puts things in perspective a bit too don't you think ?

You can look at the results at the last 3 RWC's to jog your memory considering the lack of resources Los Pumas had........

I understand this is a kiwi rugby forum so the workings of ARG rugby might be alien to many

Don't really care about Wooden Spoon in TRC when the team was firstly getting used to the comp and the travel plus Jaguares joining SR

Alot of changes + bad management = :pile_of_poo: :pile_of_poo:

I'll look to the future now ARG rugby has some stability & good coaching

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.

Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.

Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.

@Bovidae said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.

Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.

Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.

Fair point.

Failing to make it out of the group stages on four occasions isn't flash though.

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@KiwiMurph was only Scotland....

Argies generally have the wood on the French in RWCs

For all the piss and bluster, a strong Argies is fantastic for world rugby, hopefully the Jaguares can transform Super form into International form now.

Funny how you "forgot" the 2007 and 2015 World Cup I wonder why :winking_face:

At least you can see how Jaguares can potentially transform Super Rugby & bring it back to its glory days of strength vs strength

With AUS rugby being a show & SA rugby being decimated by a weak rand + quotas as well as bad coaching & governance

NZ rugby is also likely to decline as well

Highlanders in 2020 will essentially be a Mitre Cup full of journeymen plus A Smith Iaone & Coltman + Blues remaining a basket case

Mickey mouse league in Japan threatens to extract copious amounts of NZ talent

Jaguares offers a chance for a team to emerge with a stable of young emerging talent with Int'l quality throughout team & best atmosphere of any Super Rugby ground

TV time is good for AUS/NZ market

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Bovidae said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Possibly. It's also a struggle trying to remember all the "stunning" results that Argentina have delivered during the World Cup.

Beating France in the opening game of RWC 2007 which led to some game in Cardiff.

Knocking out the favoured Ireland in 2015 by cutting them apart with some fantastic tries.

Fair point.

Failing to make it out of the group stages on four occasions isn't flash though.

And for good measure dusting up the French for a 2nd time in 3rd/4th playoff in 2007

I should have made it clear when I meant last 3 world cups as they're the ones I've watched & freshest in minds of fans under 30

@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.

:face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

So omission of facts

I understand you got a narrative to stick to....

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.

:face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

So omission of facts

I understand you got a narrative to stick to....

Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.

:face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

So omission of facts

I understand you got a narrative to stick to....

Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.

You're comparing apples to oranges

Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times

Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then

@Jaguares4real no, I think you need to check the responses...you are so busy with all your fishing lines oyu have no idea what bait is being responded too and which fish is biting and if one is biting at all.

I responded to a specific quote, that wasnt even yours then you are saying I am conveniently forgetting somethign.

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@MN5 said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

@Jaguares4real I didnt forget anything.

:face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:

So omission of facts

I understand you got a narrative to stick to....

Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.

You're comparing apples to oranges

Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times

Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then

Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie etc are expunged from the record books.

Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.

Not only that they all retired before I was even born so their records are completely irrelevant.

Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.

You're comparing apples to oranges

Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times

Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then

Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie**** etc are expunged from the record books.

Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.

Who are those guys?

Never heard of them

Seriously though I'm very familiar with Pinetree and Lochore a bit as well

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Goes both ways. You've conveniently forgotten Argentinas efforts in WCs between 1987-1995.

You're comparing apples to oranges

Amateur era very different to nowadays/recent times

Plus I had no interest or recollection of rugby then

Aw ok. Based on that logic I'll sit and hope all the achievements of Pinetree, Lochore, Brownlie**** etc are expunged from the record books.

Those guys were so shit none of them even played in a World Cup.

Who are those guys?

Never heard of them

Seriously though I'm very familiar with Pinetree and Lochore a bit as well

Really ?

Even though they only played meaningless friendlies?

@taniwharugby said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

I am conveniently forgetting somethign.

TBF I do that all the time. I have conveniently forgotten whole RWCs that I was actually present at. Might have been the result of alcohol, or just results. I don't remember.

Great crowd in Argentina.

Looks well over 40k.

A gift for the Hags after the Bumboys butcher fielding a kick.

@Canerbry said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

A gitt for the Hags after the Bumboys butcher fielding a kick.

I have no idea what that means....

The Jaguares are well ahead now. They're taking their opportunities, without doing anything spectacular. Brumbies are just utter shit thus far.

20-0 after 20 mins, looks like a long night ahead for the Bumboys. They're just looking lazy - travel?

Have the brumbies checked out ?

@Canerbry said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

20-0 after 20 mins, looks like a long night ahead for the Bumboys. They're just looking lazy - travel?

Maybe. But their game plan fucking sucks if they can't win a lineout

Brumbies keep themselves in the game through their only 2 weapons - scrum and lineout drive.

20-7 halftime.

Surprise surprise a tiny variation in the Brumbies attack and they make 30 metres through halfback and centre combination.

Led to the pressure and try.

I have to agree with the commentators that the officials have missed quite a few forward passes and some knock-ons from the Jaguares, but I'm not sure it would have changed much. The Brumbies are just making too many mistakes.

Was there obstruction in the lead-up of that Jaguares' try?

Apparently not. What about that high tackle by the Brumbies player though?

I can't see the Brumbies come back from this. The Jaguares have been ruthless and have taken advantage of every error from the ponies.

This is well over with ten to play. Great to have something different happening in the finals this season. If the Canes pull off an upset tonight, at least we get to see a different kind of final in terms of venue, time zone, atmosphere etc and a real anything-could-happen game too.

Outside of a 10 min spell at end of 1st half this game has been an annihilation

Jaguares have carved up Brumbies when they've wanted to

They match this performance & they have an excellent chance of winning in C'church or hosting Canes

Awesome work Jaguares.

They were brilliant. Dominant. One of their best performances this year.

Cubelli my man of the match.

Well deserved finalists who will take some beating.

Good to see a boring limited Brumbies side smashed. Jaguares are far more entertaining.

Fuck off Phil Kearns. He just called the Jaguares a national side, again. And then he referred to the Crusaders as a national side as well so probably wants us booted out of the comp as well.

The Jaguares are celebrating like they just won the final. Ruh roh, for them.

@Jaguares4real said in Semi Final 2: Jaguares v Brumbies:

Outside of a 10 min spell at end of 1st half this game has been an annihilation

Jaguares have carved up Brumbies when they've wanted to

They match this performance & they have an excellent chance of winning in C'church or hosting Canes

They just played their final mate. See how crazy the players were after the whistle. You've got a chance if the Canes win tonight due to home advantage and the Canes having to recover from what everyone refers to as one of the hardest time zone changes, but if they have to travel they'll get annihilated.

@shark Jaguares celebrated like that last week.

Didn't seem to bother them this week.

Jaguares have travelled well this year.

Their scrum looks a real weakness but otherwise they look a real threat.

The funny thing is that the ABs won't select players for the test against the Pumas in Argentina, who are involved in playing the SR final, while the Jaguares are now in the SR final and will provide the bulk of the players to the Pumas squad for that same test match.

@shark what a tosser - his beloved waratahs would have been chock full of internationals at some stage