@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Donsteppa said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
“The better team” never loses a game 19 - 3.
they do when they leave at least 15 points on the table and gift a try through a winger having a brain fart
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
Didn’t.
Distant second on the scoreboard.
Couldn’t even score one try.
Not even one.
Not. Even. One.
Better team?
In an opposites universe...
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@sparky said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Too obvious
Not trolling Marshall made a similar point in terms of the stats
But sadly the game is not played on paper
Crusaders outside of some pressure in 50th minute did not threaten to score a try
Crusaders deserved to win as they were more efficient but Jaguares were IMO the better team
But that counts for little
Stats don’t win matches. Defence does. Marshall doing his best unbiased commentary.
Other than that period in the first half where the Jags were attacking red hot and playing extremely flat, I thought the tactics of the Jags changed for the worst.
The Jags 1st 5 started standing extremely deep. The forwards weren’t as quick to their spots in attack. All that possession and not scoring does take its toll.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@sparky said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Too obvious
Not trolling Marshall made a similar point in terms of the stats
But sadly the game is not played on paper
Crusaders outside of some pressure in 50th minute did not threaten to score a try
Crusaders deserved to win as they were more efficient but Jaguares were IMO the better team
But that counts for little
As delusional as your pre game posts. You said it, the game isn’t played on paper. Cherry picking stats to suggest a team, that was beaten with plenty of time to go, was the better team is pathetic.
The Crusaders didn’t need to push for tries in the second half. They were happy chalking points up in 3’s.
The final was last week. Jaguares never had a chance. Well done on the 10th Crusaders. Hopefully a new winner next year. 
Not a great game in terms of pure excitement given it was sealed with 7 minutes to go, but a very clinical performance from some ABs which is great to see leading into TRC and the WC.
Read is not the player he was ranging wide but he gets through a ton of work and rarely makes mistakes, which are great attributes for our 8 to have in tight test matches.
Mo'unga looks very calm in the big games now, has really found his feet at the top level and adds a huge amount to the AB squad. He's a world class 10 now.
I'm definitely ready for some international footy now, bring on the ABs!
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Jaguares were the better team
"Diego Maradona, Juan Peron, Gabrielle Sabatini, Hugo Porta, Daniel Barenboim, Oscar Bonavena........your boys took a hell of a beating tonight!"
(with apologies to a famous Danish football commentator)
@ACT-Crusader said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@sparky said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Too obvious
Not trolling Marshall made a similar point in terms of the stats
But sadly the game is not played on paper
Crusaders outside of some pressure in 50th minute did not threaten to score a try
Crusaders deserved to win as they were more efficient but Jaguares were IMO the better team
But that counts for little
Stats don’t win matches. Defence does. Marshall doing his best unbiased commentary.
Other than that period in the first half where the Jags were attacking red hot and playing extremely flat, I thought the tactics of the Jags changed for the worst.
The Jags 1st 5 started standing extremely deep. The forwards weren’t as quick to their spots in attack. All that possession and not scoring does take its toll.
Indeed
Diaz Bonilla got worse as the match wore on & that killed the Jaguares game plan- they totally rely on #10 to be flat and provide options for ball runners
Kicking from 9 is a better strategy
Fair play to the Jaguares ... tough travel across for the game, and I suspect there may not have been another team in the comp that would have beaten them tonight. If they hold on to most players for next year, they will be very tough to beat. Certainly a long way from where they started.
But you can't score 3 points in a final an expect to win anything. One bombed try, and two close chances don't count for much, when I think the Saders let themselves down a couple of times too. If everybody had taken 80% of their chances, the score would have been something like 30-18.
But they didn't, and hence scoreboard pressure meant the Saders never really had to take risks, whilst the Jaguares did. And that ... is final's rugby.
They'll be better for it next year.
And to be fair, I think Hansen would take a half-pie All Blacks squad to Buenos Aires at his peril, but that doesn’t close the gap between the two teams in Christchurch tonight.
good game i thought, and a fair bit closer than the scoreboard indicates.
jags blew a couple of tries they really should have scored which would have made it a different game - looked a bit like the old 'gotta lose a final to win one' cliche, pushing it a bit much in the big game. well played though, some gun players and super committed, and the better lineout which is no mean feat against the crusaders. diaz bonilla made some dodgy decisions, which he did against the brumbies too - put nico sanchez in there and that's a very dangerous group of players for the WC.
for the saders, looked like moody popped them in the scrum a few times, good to see. taylor a bit dicey at lineout, and franks is level-pegging with other options now i reckon. whitelock was good, and read too. todd the pick of them, very strong game.
there was a time when i thought drummond should have been the starting halfback with hall on the bench. that feels hard to believe now, hall is miles better these days and they subbed him too early. drummond was a prime target for a charge-down every time he kicked. mo'unga good, and kicked the big game kicks. goodhue excellent defensive workrate, ennor good ball in hand, no issues on defence but his hands let him down a couple of times, which is unusual for him. bit disappointed in both wingers turning in on defence to make 2 on 1 tackles and leaving their outside man unmarked - if you're going to do that, you want to be damn sure you stop the offload.
jaco was generally good, but inconsistent with his application of knock-on advantage which shitted me a bit. sometimes it's just change of possession and if you lose it it's advantage over, sometimes change of possession, lose it, and he comes back for the advantage.
@Canes4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
The final was last week. Jaguares never had a chance. Well done on the 10th Crusaders. Hopefully a new winner next year.
Disagree. Jaguares were in that for 60+ minutes and with a liitle more composure they might have won it. Semi final was a greatgame and worthy of a final, but the final was a great game too.
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Fair play to the Jaguares ... tough travel across for the game, and I suspect there may not have been another team in the comp that would have beaten them tonight. If they hold on to most players for next year, they will be very tough to beat. Certainly a long way from where they started.
But you can't score 3 points in a final an expect to win anything. One bombed try, and two close chances don't count for much, when I think the Saders let themselves down a couple of times too. If everybody had taken 80% of their chances, the score would have been something like 30-18.
But they didn't, and hence scoreboard pressure meant the Saders never really had to take risks, whilst the Jaguares did. And that ... is final's rugby.
They'll be better for it next year.
Jaguares will be around for a while They benefit from clear pathways with a team playing CC rugby in SA & U20 players emerging at a steady rate
Matera will be badly missed Matera is the best #6 in World Rugby and it;s not really close
Lavinnini is replaceable Very good player but his hands are fecking awful
Moreover with a round robin format from 2021 onwards this will suit Jaguares well They tour well + win games in AUS & NZ
SA teams can't win in NZ & AUS AUS teams will remain rubbish
Even the NZ teams will be weakened
Blues will remain a 
show Highlanders will revert back to being bottom feeders
Canes will be screwed when Barrett Brothers likely leave
@Cyclops said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Canes4life said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
The final was last week. Jaguares never had a chance. Well done on the 10th Crusaders. Hopefully a new winner next year.
Disagree. Jaguares were in that for 60+ minutes and with a liitle more composure they might have won it. Semi final was a greatgame and worthy of a final, but the final was a great game too.
Yep
Too many folks are being box score scouts and not looking at the in game dynamics
Finals Footy as Quesada noted is a game of few chances
Saders took the few chances they had and deservedly won
Jaguares wee extremely careless/selfish and lost their shape Hence deserved to lose despite in large parts being the better team
Oh well onto the World Cup with some friendlies/trial matches for Los Pumas in TRC along the way
@Jaguares4real Sorry can you explain at what points you thought they were the better team?
Because to me they looked well beaten in all aspects of the game across the park and throughout out all 80 minutes in a game of finals football in slippery conditions.
They went backwards in possession and coughed the ball up at crucial times, but choked their opportunities, they had a lot of help from the ref in advantage and with "flat" passing and didn't have the experience to make it count, and lost the kicking duels and importantly the scoreboard.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Fair play to the Jaguares ... tough travel across for the game, and I suspect there may not have been another team in the comp that would have beaten them tonight. If they hold on to most players for next year, they will be very tough to beat. Certainly a long way from where they started.
But you can't score 3 points in a final an expect to win anything. One bombed try, and two close chances don't count for much, when I think the Saders let themselves down a couple of times too. If everybody had taken 80% of their chances, the score would have been something like 30-18.
But they didn't, and hence scoreboard pressure meant the Saders never really had to take risks, whilst the Jaguares did. And that ... is final's rugby.
They'll be better for it next year.
Jaguares will be around for a while They benefit from clear pathways with a team playing CC rugby in SA & U20 players emerging at a steady rate
Matera will be badly missed Matera is the best #6 in World Rugby and it;s not really close
Lavinnini is replaceable Very good player but his hands are fecking awful
Moreover with a round robin format from 2021 onwards this will suit Jaguares well They tour well + win games in AUS & NZ
SA teams can't win in NZ & AUS AUS teams will remain rubbish
Even the NZ teams will be weakened
Blues will remain a
Canes will be screwed when Barrett Brothers likely leave
I understand, you're hurting.
Your team was shown to not be good enough.
Better luck next year.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Fair play to the Jaguares ... tough travel across for the game, and I suspect there may not have been another team in the comp that would have beaten them tonight. If they hold on to most players for next year, they will be very tough to beat. Certainly a long way from where they started.
But you can't score 3 points in a final an expect to win anything. One bombed try, and two close chances don't count for much, when I think the Saders let themselves down a couple of times too. If everybody had taken 80% of their chances, the score would have been something like 30-18.
But they didn't, and hence scoreboard pressure meant the Saders never really had to take risks, whilst the Jaguares did. And that ... is final's rugby.
They'll be better for it next year.
Jaguares will be around for a while They benefit from clear pathways with a team playing CC rugby in SA & U20 players emerging at a steady rate
Matera will be badly missed Matera is the best #6 in World Rugby and it;s not really close
Lavinnini is replaceable Very good player but his hands are fecking awful
Moreover with a round robin format from 2021 onwards this will suit Jaguares well They tour well + win games in AUS & NZ
SA teams can't win in NZ & AUS AUS teams will remain rubbish
Even the NZ teams will be weakened
Blues will remain a
Canes will be screwed when Barrett Brothers likely leave
Yeah whatever, keep up your morale however you fancy.
Simple fact NZ teams win most SR titles, it's not going to change
You should be proud of what the Jags achieved, not bragging about things that they have not
Great atmosphere at the game. Argie fans added a lot.
First 20 minutes I was nervous, rush defense had us rattled.
2 best teams made the final. Roll on next year
@ACT-Crusader said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
I’m getting a little nervous...about the Warriors chances against the Knights...
Nerves justified. Far out they test the ticker....
The only game I was nervous about tonight 
A fair bit of disrespect shown there during the presentation, champagne bottles popped well before the Crusaders tankard presentation had even started...
@Machpants said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Fair play to the Jaguares ... tough travel across for the game, and I suspect there may not have been another team in the comp that would have beaten them tonight. If they hold on to most players for next year, they will be very tough to beat. Certainly a long way from where they started.
But you can't score 3 points in a final an expect to win anything. One bombed try, and two close chances don't count for much, when I think the Saders let themselves down a couple of times too. If everybody had taken 80% of their chances, the score would have been something like 30-18.
But they didn't, and hence scoreboard pressure meant the Saders never really had to take risks, whilst the Jaguares did. And that ... is final's rugby.
They'll be better for it next year.
Jaguares will be around for a while They benefit from clear pathways with a team playing CC rugby in SA & U20 players emerging at a steady rate
Matera will be badly missed Matera is the best #6 in World Rugby and it;s not really close
Lavinnini is replaceable Very good player but his hands are fecking awful
Moreover with a round robin format from 2021 onwards this will suit Jaguares well They tour well + win games in AUS & NZ
SA teams can't win in NZ & AUS AUS teams will remain rubbish
Even the NZ teams will be weakened
Blues will remain a
Canes will be screwed when Barrett Brothers likely leave
Yeah whatever, keep up your morale however you fancy.
Simple fact NZ teams win most SR titles, it's not going to changeYou should be proud of what the Jags achieved, not bragging about things that they have not
You've misunderstood my point
Crusaders set the standard in Super Rugby They'll remain the preeminent force & the team to beat in SR
Chiefs will be dangerous with Gatland back & have the game to beat Jaguares
Hurricanes will have a better squad in 2020 but without Barrett bros they're fucked
@Jaguares4real Maybe. My point is, NZ teams actually play rugby and do well, even when t looks like they are fooked. I tell you what, next season, a depleted NZ SR team will do well. Cos we have depth and that's what we do. Saying crap like 'canes without barretts are rubbish' is dumb shiite, we'll still do well - canes will still be up there next year, baretts or no. Team, not individuals.
I'm proud of the Jaguares season but I'm not one to settle for "well done pat yourself on the back"
That kind of mentality disgusts me
Los Pumas will use the Jaguares success as a springboard for the RWC campaign
TRC friendlies will serve as trials for those aspiring to make RWC squad
Future is bright in ARG rugby
@Machpants said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real Maybe. My point is, NZ teams actually play rugby and do well, even when t looks like they are fooked. I tell you what, next season, a depleted NZ SR team will do well. Cos we have depth and that's what we do. Saying crap like 'canes without barretts are rubbish' is dumb shiite, we'll still do well - canes will still be up there next year, baretts or no. Team, not individuals.
Disagree
Hurricanes rely on their star players to deliver: Barrett brothers Laumape Savea Coles & TJP
Without a few of them they'll be a much diminished team
Good enough to make playoffs but not a contender to win it all IMO
Crusaders have strength in numbers & strength in depth
That's the greatness of the Crusaders summarised in one sentecne
@Steven-Harris said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Why replace Hall..?hes been outstanding..!
Substitution by rote
@akan004 said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Strange decision to go for three .
Nup. Test match intensity. Gift 3. Good call.
The kick from 45m on the angle I thought was ambitious and they should have plugged the corner. But test match intensity ...
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
second one of those off-loads of Materas that looks to have gone forward out of hand
The one for the bombed try by Moroni looked ... err .. . borderline
@No-Quarter said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
Should have been a penalty for holding on. Marshall is talking shit.
No!? Really?
@Yeetyaah said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
What a boring game and comp. Saders win again. Maybe time to spread the talent.
Bolded text: I really enjoyed it.
Not bolded bit: there's plenty of talent elsewhere. Just got to develop themselves better.
@Damo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
They're up by 16 points. Why are they just running the clock down? Seems very negative to me.
It's winning
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
@Donsteppa said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
“The better team” never loses a game 19 - 3.
My immediate reaction was very similar.
My thoughts were "19-3 says they weren't".
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Donsteppa said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
“The better team” never loses a game 19 - 3.
they do when they leave at least 15 points on the table and gift a try through a winger having a brain fart
That makes them a poor team.
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@booboo said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@taniwharugby said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
maybe lacked a bit of big game experience at crucial
Crusaders deserved to win
Jaguares were the better team
Crusaders were functional and did enough to win & were clinical when they got a chance
Somewhat self contradictory post.
Perhaps understandable in the circumstances
Two things can be right at the same time Doesn't have to a binary choice
Crusaders deserved to win but Jaguares were the better team
Rarely happens but then I'm not a box score scout who just looks at the final whistle score
Give it a rest, seriously.
Crusaders name on the trophy, 19-3, they were the better team, no question. Your little moral we were the better team crap counts for zilch. Nothing. Nada.
And it’s bollocks. 19-3 is one sided.
You won’t give a shit but I would have supported the Jaguares today if not for you. I doubt I’m alone.
@Jaguares4real said in SR Final: Crusaders v Jaguares:
@MajorRage
I'm heartbroken that a random dude would have supported the Jaguares if not for the horrible crime of me Supporting the Jaguares vociferously
Supporting?
