Just keep the red card for thuggery (eye gouging and other grub acts) and some other colour (fuckit, Blue card) for head contact in tackles/rucks etc. Specific card for the accidental head contact that they want to reduce. Have that at 20mins, and if the players technique doesn't improve bump it up to 30mins the next year.

Leaves the onus on the coaches and players to solve the issue, doesn't ruin the game for the fans, has actions to protect the players and address the hilarious NH opinion that 20min red cards will have players running around like the love child of Richard Loe and Troy Flavell.

@taniwharugby I reckon 27/28 would cover it.

Prop/hooker
Other forward
Two backs

Or maybe one prop, one hooker and the rest.

Had never heard of this but another Gong for the team.

@Daffy-Jaffy said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Had never heard of this but another Gong for the team.

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Holy schmokes fella

Might wanna read the thread...

@Bones Funny I did scroll up a bit to check but obviously not far enough!. My post is cuter :dog_face:

@Daffy-Jaffy said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Bones Funny I did scroll up a bit to check but obviously not far enough!. My post is cuter :dog_face:

I reckon the actual founder did it better

@Daffy-Jaffy said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Had never heard of this but another Gong for the team.

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Dial in @Davesofthunder

More about the Utrecht Shield in this thread, too:

Frankie Harvey appears to be That Rugby Girl on twitter.

@Daffy-Jaffy

No complaints from me seeing this stuff reposted, I make them for just this purpose

Make sure you follow us on social media and check out the Raeburn Shield which is the mens version (currently held by Ireland)

@Bones

Have seen Frankie and her parents through the London based RWC watch parties etc

Seems like a good kid and I think here Dad is loving the journey with her on it too.

@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Frankie Harvey appears to be That Rugby Girl on twitter.

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"There's a men's English team somewhere, that just watched the women's rugby cup final and has just decided they're sick of Eddie, stuff pre-match training, and aren't going to cheat in the game next weekend because the All Blacks still have that aura."

@nostrildamus sometimes your words are an enigma, wrapped in an enigma.

@Bones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

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Who is Frankie Harvey?

@booboo That Rugby Girl on twitter

@Bones apparently.

For who missed the Final, or who would like to watch it again, World Rugby has put the full match on their website.

You'll need to create a free account on their website first.

Not sure if this has been posted

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Some women

WRLWC drop kicking 40m

@MiketheSnow said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Some women

WRLWC drop kicking 40m

Are they drop kicking for goal?

@Bones here you go

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

Sounds like my tennis serve or my golf swing!

@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

Sounds like my tennis serve or my golf swing!

I just think she didn’t have the experience to work through a fix on the spot.

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

I was yelling at the TV to aim for inside the right post as all her close misses went left. There weren't any gimmes in front of the posts.

BTW, England only converted 20 of their 43 tries. NZ were 21/44.

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

Sounds like my tennis serve or my golf swing!

I just think she didn’t have the experience to work through a fix on the spot.

Bloody tough when you're in it. I guess she could get pointers at half time but it's difficult to make changes on the fly

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@MiketheSnow said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Some women

WRLWC drop kicking 40m

Are they drop kicking for goal?

Not often, but that's just coaching and practice.

Kick offs no problem

Just had a quick squizz back at the end of the game again.

And I'm not sure if it has been raised, but fuck it was karma for slowing the game down.

You know those teams that take an injury break to rest their oversized pack?

If England hadn't taken a breather and just formed and threw that lineout the TMO would never have looked at Demant not touching that kick that went out in the full, and Leti-i'iga wouldn't have scored.

Karma suckers.

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

Pffff, they can't even get them from the sideline. They drop under the bar ffs.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

Pffff, they can't even get them from the sideline. They drop under the bar ffs.

Go back to the 1950s with your outdated chauvinistic views. We know you don’t like women’s rugby, you’ve already posted such, go piss in another thread. Ideally one where you’ve actually watched the game.

@Bovidae said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell Yep. The commentators said that Holmes was nailing her kicks at goal from 50m during warm-up. I think she missed so many kicks because of the pressure; not because the kicks were too hard.

Most of the kicks (except one duff one) were close. Minor technical problem that was creating a late hook to the left.
If you were at practice and lining them up one after another you’d fix it quickly but you don’t get that luxury in a game.

I was yelling at the TV to aim for inside the right post as all her close misses went left. There weren't any gimmes in front of the posts.

BTW, England only converted 20 of their 43 tries. NZ were 21/44.

I like these stats. Shows conversions aren’t a given.

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

Pffff, they can't even get them from the sideline. They drop under the bar ffs.

Go back to the 1950s with your outdated chauvinistic views. We know you don’t like women’s rugby, you’ve already posted such, go piss in another thread. Ideally one where you’ve actually watched the game.

England only converted 20 of their 43 tries. NZ were 21/44. Facts, Beta.

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

Pffff, they can't even get them from the sideline. They drop under the bar ffs.

Go back to the 1950s with your outdated chauvinistic views. We know you don’t like women’s rugby, you’ve already posted such, go piss in another thread. Ideally one where you’ve actually watched the game.

England only converted 20 of their 43 tries. NZ were 21/44. Facts, Beta.

So what is your point exactly? I'd love to see the stats for stoppage times because the game seemed to flow better than most men's games I've seen for a while. The skills on show were very impressive, capped off by the BFs version of the try from the end of the world. Of course you would know this if you watched the game....

@canefan said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

@Billy-Tell said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:

Don’t think we were winning that without the red card. Nevertheless well done. Fluhler is fantastic. DC was a great 10 but he is a shît goal kicking coach. We need to learn how to defend a maul.

Women can barely kick 30ms. He'd need a doctorate in bionics to improve their kicking.

Sorry to read you didn’t get to watch the final. It was a great game. Distance wasn’t the problem, accuracy was.

Pffff, they can't even get them from the sideline. They drop under the bar ffs.

Go back to the 1950s with your outdated chauvinistic views. We know you don’t like women’s rugby, you’ve already posted such, go piss in another thread. Ideally one where you’ve actually watched the game.

England only converted 20 of their 43 tries. NZ were 21/44. Facts, Beta.

So what is your point exactly? I'd love to see the stats for stoppage times because the game seemed to flow better than most men's games I've seen for a while. The skills on show were very impressive, capped off by the BFs version of the try from the end of the world. Of course you would know this if you watched the game....

I haven't searched for them but there were some ball in play stats being thrown around for both the semis and final and they were well above the average mens test comparison.. Around 6-8% off the top of my head