@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks v Japan:
@nostrildamus have to agree with that. This tour will be make or break for the six position. But the issue is that the depth is non existent. Two out and out six’s in the squad. I suspect this tour will be a patch work job for the back row and next year will see Sititi at 8, Lakai at 7, and a shootout for six for the rest
No such thing as a 6 anymore, 6s and 8s are one and the same.
hmmmmmmmm
@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks v Japan:
@nostrildamus oh I’m 100% on the Haig bandwagon but not this tour. That’s a baptism of fire
oh yeah. Not for awhile, maybe another season or two.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Japan:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Japan:
Suggests they (currently) see Ratima as their number one halfback.
I think they will be happy for him to start while giving Cam plenty of time to build his fitness
I don't think fitness is the issue, it's more getting his confidence back by playing minutes. I think there's nothing wrong with Ratima starting on this tour with Cam coming off the bench but I feel that role will be reversed once Roigard is back up to speed again.
Roigard is the future.
Freak of a player.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Japan:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Japan:
Suggests they (currently) see Ratima as their number one halfback.
I think they will be happy for him to start while giving Cam plenty of time to build his fitness
I don't think fitness is the issue, it's more getting his confidence back by playing minutes. I think there's nothing wrong with Ratima starting on this tour with Cam coming off the bench but I feel that role will be reversed once Roigard is back up to speed again.
Roigard is the future.
Freak of a player.
I’ll just tag @Canes4life so he can get on the bandwagon
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Japan:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Japan:
Suggests they (currently) see Ratima as their number one halfback.
I think they will be happy for him to start while giving Cam plenty of time to build his fitness
I don't think fitness is the issue, it's more getting his confidence back by playing minutes. I think there's nothing wrong with Ratima starting on this tour with Cam coming off the bench but I feel that role will be reversed once Roigard is back up to speed again.
Roigard is the future.
Freak of a player.
I’ll just tag @Canes4life so he can get on the bandwagon
He's driving the bandwagon!
Sititi-Roigard-DMac. Plenty of go forward there.
Might have a new no 8 by years end.
Razor needs to look after Ratima too. The guy has been brilliant for us this year.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Japan:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Japan:
Suggests they (currently) see Ratima as their number one halfback.
I think they will be happy for him to start while giving Cam plenty of time to build his fitness
I don't think fitness is the issue, it's more getting his confidence back by playing minutes. I think there's nothing wrong with Ratima starting on this tour with Cam coming off the bench but I feel that role will be reversed once Roigard is back up to speed again.
Roigard is the future.
Freak of a player.
I’ll just tag @Canes4life so he can get on the bandwagon
Fuck Roigard is the man.
This is the only match on this tour that I am feeling fully confident about. Japan are poor and not really going anywhere at the moment. I think we could lose any and all of the other four Test matches.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Japan:
Fuck Roigard is the man.
I hate to ask where a comma would go.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Japan:
This is the only match on this tour that I am feeling fully confident about. Japan are poor and not really going anywhere at the moment. I think we could lose any and all of the other four Test matches.
Maaaaaaaaaaate Japan are going to push NZ hard, maaaaaaaaaaate, maybe even a win maaaaaaaaaaaaate
@Bones said in All Blacks v Japan:
Good test for Proctor actually, really rate Riley.
He's no Riley Higgins.....
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Japan:
Good test for Proctor actually, really rate Riley.
He's no Riley Higgins.....
Well yeah he can tackle as well as run!
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
Underwhelming
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
I disagree, I think they're giving McKenzie a run against Japan so that he doesn't go into the England match having not played decent minutes in over a month.
Could be wrong!
On the broadcast situation in the UK, I've heard that one of the paid platforms will have the match (presumably TNT or Sky).
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
I disagree, I think they're giving McKenzie a run against Japan so that he doesn't go into the England match having not played decent minutes in over a month.
Could be wrong!
That would mean 4 games in a row, can't see it. There's a reason why the to team went to UK, so they can prepare for a torrid 3 weeks
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
I disagree, I think they're giving McKenzie a run against Japan so that he doesn't go into the England match having not played decent minutes in over a month.
Could be wrong!
That would mean 4 games in a row, can't see it. There's a reason why the to team went to UK, so they can prepare for a torrid 3 weeks
So you don't think Sam Cane or Wallace Sititi are in the top team either then?
McKenzie played five games in a row for the Chiefs to round out the Super season, had one weekend off and then played three more in a row for the All Blacks. I suspect he can handle four games in a row now after a four week break.
There is no way they see BB as first choice 10
No chance
Zero way
(if I say it enough times….)
@Bones said in All Blacks v Japan:
Good test for Proctor actually, really rate Riley.
The Japan midfield is pretty robust with both Riley and McCurran.
Thank goodness a crippling injury rate has allowed the likes of Lakai and Love to finally get a chance...
Surely the creaking Razor bandwagon will be empty if they name Beauden at 10 against England after playing DMac all year, just because he looked OK against an awful Wallabies team at home.
That Japanese team would have one of the higher number of non-Japanese born players in recent years.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Japan:
That Japanese team would have one of the higher number of non-Japanese born players in recent years.
Its putrid. I dont even think international coaches should be foreign.
Having Gatland coaching the Lions was just ridiculous while we are at it.
Disappointing Japan lineup, considering its one of the more homogenous, immigration shy, nations in the world these days.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Machpants I expect to see Ratima and McKenzie in the halves still...
As mentioned here, DMac starting in Japan means razor see'experienced' ten Beaudy as top choice
I disagree, I think they're giving McKenzie a run against Japan so that he doesn't go into the England match having not played decent minutes in over a month.
Could be wrong!
That would mean 4 games in a row, can't see it. There's a reason why the to team went to UK, so they can prepare for a torrid 3 weeks
So you don't think Sam Cane or Wallace Sititi are in the top team either then?
McKenzie played five games in a row for the Chiefs to round out the Super season, had one weekend off and then played three more in a row for the All Blacks. I suspect he can handle four games in a row now after a four week break.
They will need to make heavy use of the bench in this game and rotate players through this EOYT series.
They have to start rotating the 10s now so that they can claim there's no clear number 1 for when their little overhyped Cantab comes back .... 
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Japan:
They have to start rotating the 10s now so that they can claim there's no clear number 1 for when their little overhyped Cantab comes back ....
that depends, he fully deserves the hype at SR level, his impact (and Whitelock's) was greater than Carter and McCaw who often went through the motions until they got into AB camp. Mo'unga always delivered at SR level except for his first season under Slackadder, i do agree that the hype is unwarranted regarding his All Black performances.
without Mo'unga and Whitelock Razor probably wins 2-3 titles instead of 7.
@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Japan:
They have to start rotating the 10s now so that they can claim there's no clear number 1 for when their little overhyped Cantab comes back ....
that depends, he fully deserves the hype at SR level, his impact was greater than Carter and McCaw who often went through the motions until they got into AB camp. Mo'unga always delivered at SR level except for his first season under Slackadder, i do agree that the hype is unwarranted regarding his All Black performances.
Someone told me SR form didn't matter.... 
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Japan:
I expect at least a 30 point thrashing.
Japan isn't that good
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Japan:
They have to start rotating the 10s now so that they can claim there's no clear number 1 for when their little overhyped Cantab comes back ....
Keep working on that thumb grip, DMac! 
I get the impression Razor and co have lost the TSF room (not the red and black corner perhaps).
Personally I thought we were up against quality teams.
On the other hand the inability to change tack or keep the momentum was IMHO a reflection on the second half coaching. And not a good one.
@Jet said in All Blacks v Japan:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Japan:
That Japanese team would have one of the higher number of non-Japanese born players in recent years.
Its putrid. I dont even think international coaches should be foreign.
Having Gatland coaching the Lions was just ridiculous while we are at it.
Disappointing Japan lineup, considering it’s one of the more homogenous, immigration shy, nations in the world these days.
As a Scots fan I’m all for foreign born players.
They just made one of them captain !
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Japan:
I get the impression Razor and co have lost the TSF room (not the red and black corner perhaps).
Personally I thought we were up against quality teams.
On the other hand the inability to change tack or keep the momentum was IMHO a reflection on the second half coaching. And not a good one.
He can get the room back. Just has to open his other eye 
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