@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

Looks like he just tried to pop it over the French head to try re-gather.
The fact it actually went backwards is what gets me. Surely it can't be a deliberate knock on if it doesn't go forward.
I think I'm pissing in the wind though...

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

I know we give out about Reece’s speed but that French 11 is seriously quick.

Or Juan Martin Gonzalez is quicker than Reece too.

Fuck me. Argies can be sublime but some days they're just dumb as shit

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

France are giving Argentina a bit of a hiding.

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Argies playing well when they manage to keep 15 on the field.

He’s a Ferrari.

That's an amazing try from that quick winger.

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

Argies playing well when they manage to keep 15 on the field.

Except for that donkey scrumhalf. Charged down twice in succession kicking from the base of rucks.

No replay of potential French knockon?

@booboo Yeah, this hometown TV director cooking is a blight on the sport. Maybe the TMO checked it but still…

Pearce is a dick

Massive forward pass right in front of the AR. Completely ignored.

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play. He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

If this France don’t send 20 top players to NZ next year, I need to see them dealt no mercy. Nothing else will suffice.

@W32 said in France v Argentina:

Pearce is a dick

Thought he was great myself. Kept the game flowing.

Pearce wanted to spend more time conversing in French instead of warning them for cynical offsides. Arg had their chances in that 10 min period but didn't take them.

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

@W32 said in France v Argentina:

Pearce is a dick

Thought he was great myself. Kept the game flowing.

It was an awful unbalanced display from him and the touch judges.

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play.

Of course he did. His own body language afterwards showed that.

He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

His action was forwards and towards the sideline. That much is obvious. In doing so he's violated law 7 b.

@Bovidae said in France v Argentina:

Pearce wanted to spend more time conversing in French instead of warning them for cynical offsides. Arg had their chances in that 10 min period but didn't take them.

I find the English refs who attempt to speak French annoying. I know it’s pedantic but they constantly mix up the « tu » and « vous » forms. « Tu dois lâcher le ballon s’il vous plaît ». Just stick to English.

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

@W32 said in France v Argentina:

Pearce is a dick

Thought he was great myself. Kept the game flowing.

It was an awful unbalanced display from him and the touch judges.

Examples?

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play. He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

Law 7 is the advantage law.

9.7b was not the rule that Luke Pearce applied. It was 11.7 .

And I disagree with your assessment on the deliberate knocked out of play and your interpretation of his body language. The ball travels back a metre then lands on the ground and bounces 2 metres to the side. That's the bounce of the ball.

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play. He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

Law 7 is the advantage law.

9.7b was not the rule that Luke Pearce applied. It was 11.7 .

And I disagree with your assessment on the deliberate knocked out of play and your interpretation of his body language. The ball travels back a metre then lands on the ground and bounces 2 metres to the side. That's the bounce of the ball.

11.3, no?

I love me a good laws showdown

Thought this game wasn't on till tomorrow and missed it. What's up with these Friday night fixtures?

@akan004 said in France v Argentina:

Thought this game wasn't on till tomorrow and missed it. What's up with these Friday night fixtures?

Right? It's Friday noon for me - and all too easy to forget to skive off work.

@Kruse said in France v Argentina:

@akan004 said in France v Argentina:

Thought this game wasn't on till tomorrow and missed it. What's up with these Friday night fixtures?

Right? It's Friday noon for me - and all too easy to forget to skive off work.

Would you like me to inform your boss/es so they can set up a calendar alarm for you?

Bielle-Biarrey showing that nothing troubles defences like raw speed. What a player!

@sparky said in France v Argentina:

Bielle-Biarrey showing that nothing troubles defences like raw speed. What a player!

Yep

Magnifique

@sparky said in France v Argentina:

Bielle-Biarrey showing that nothing troubles defences like raw speed. What a player!

France’s version of a young BB.

@Billy-Tell Faster and plays on the wing. But apart from that exactly the same.

@sparky said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell Faster and plays on the wing. But apart from that exactly the same.

Yeah, BB never played on the wing ... and wasn't that quick...

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play.

Of course he did. His own body language afterwards showed that.

He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

His action was forwards and towards the sideline. That much is obvious. In doing so he's violated law 7 b.

.... but the ball went backwards... he gave a penalty try and yellow card for something that didn't happen, and after watching a reply of it not happening. What little chance Argentina had was ruined by an obviously wrong call.
I'm not up on all the rules, but I would of thought a knock on is dependent on the ball going forward.
Serious question, does the ball have to go forward to be a knock on. Is there a circumstance when it can be a knock on if the ball goes backwards?

I was baffled by that decision, didn’t realise momentum rule applies to knock ons - seems ridiculous to me. Ball definitely went backwards, would be interesting to see what would have been given were the players reversed, I think it would have been a knock on by France - how could it be a knock on in both scenarios?!

@WestieFella said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play.

Of course he did. His own body language afterwards showed that.

He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

His action was forwards and towards the sideline. That much is obvious. In doing so he's violated law 7 b.

.... but the ball went backwards... he gave a penalty try and yellow card for something that didn't happen, and after watching a reply of it not happening. What little chance Argentina had was ruined by an obviously wrong call.
I'm not up on all the rules, but I would of thought a knock on is dependent on the ball going forward.

Don't get caught up in Pearce's confusion. He arrived at the right outcome possibly following the wrong process.

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@WestieFella said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@antipodean said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@NTA said in France v Argentina:

@brodean said in France v Argentina:

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

Looked like a penalty try to me. That was a slap in a forward direction. Even if ball maybe went sideways. Think this score line puts NZs effort into perspective. The French fullback is having a very good game. Dupont too he’s making all the right decisions.

The ball went backwards a metre.

The referee explained why he made that decision. And it was pretty obvious on repay

Yep his reasons are clearly not in the laws of rugby. The law does not mention hand direction. You must intentionally knock the ball forward to be penalised and he did not knock the ball forward. It must be intentional and it must be knocked forward. Two components need to be satisfied which weren't.

You don't have to knock on to be penalised for deliberately knocking the ball out of play.

He didn't delibrately knock the ball out of play.

Of course he did. His own body language afterwards showed that.

He knocked the ball backwards and then it bounced to the side.

His action was forwards and towards the sideline. That much is obvious. In doing so he's violated law 7 b.

.... but the ball went backwards... he gave a penalty try and yellow card for something that didn't happen, and after watching a reply of it not happening. What little chance Argentina had was ruined by an obviously wrong call.
I'm not up on all the rules, but I would of thought a knock on is dependent on the ball going forward.

Don't get caught up in Pearce's confusion. He arrived at the right outcome possibly following the wrong process.

I guess it's one of those things I'll never understand.
Just like when I just miss a call from the wife, and when I dial back immediately she's nowhere near the phone...

@Billy-Tell said in France v Argentina:

@sparky said in France v Argentina:

Bielle-Biarrey showing that nothing troubles defences like raw speed. What a player!

France’s version of a young BB.

He's more Jason Robinson than BB