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@cgrant said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Without PSDT, the SA pack will be a different beast, certainly not better.
Pack? Looked to me like he was playing on the left wing half that game! 
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@stodders said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
This
Doesn't need to change the 'new style', players just need to be patient and focused
If they had done that last weekend it could have been close to 42-0 up and out of sight
If SA improve their accuracy once they've created the space then look out Oz
Doubling down on your "Boks should win easily in third gear" prediction from last week?
Fact is, for all the squad depth SA have (and they do), you can only pick 23 players on the day and they still have to perform or they will get turned over. Even at home against an Oz team that was written off by nearly everyone in the Republic. Confidence is a difficult beast to control. AB teams from the past know this when they have played cannon fodder in the world cup pool games only to meet an opponent up for the fight in the knockout stages. You have to earn every win. There's no God given right.
SA isn't as far ahead of the chasing pack (if at all) as some of their supporters believe, which is why the fall to Earth has been so profound this week. They still have a very good team and a great coach.
They will be dangerous this week because they will be desperate to atone for the embarrassment of last week. Not because they lost to Oz (no embarrassment there), but because for the second half they barely looked like they could compete at home and almost looked lost. That will sting. The over-confidence will be gone.
Yep
That was a great comeback from Australia helped by some really ropey refereeing and dumb, dumb SA attack play
This weekend if SA play smart rugby and execute the game plan they’ll win by a greater margin than OZ did last week
Ropey refereeing? First I've heard that, even from the one-eyed Saffers...
Reckon it’s not on to piss in the cereal of long-suffering Aussie fans after such a magnificent fightback by a team that’s had to battle through more than their fair share of shit.
You Aussies should enjoy it. At least for 3 more days.
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
I thought i read something recently about Rassie wanting to reinvent their game for the next cycle - not wanting to stay the same - I don't think one loss will throw him off course as it is somewhat inevitable that this kind of change goes too far on some occassions. I expect them to tighten up around the breakdown a bit and hit the one out to commit defenders, then go wide.
Whenever i type something like that it always feels like the most obvious statement in the world and what every team is trying to do...
He’s definitely trying some things and I’m not talking about the obvious gimmicky stuff. And I don’t mind it.
But he has to select / find the players to play that way.
The final quarter was interesting to see Bok players out on their feet like they were running on quick sand. Conditions did seem heavyish but not to the level to make a number of good players look ordinary
The thing about the breakdown is that Oz have players that attack it hard and that did seem to trouble the Boks and has the potential to trouble the ABs also. But the real difference was that the Wallabies had a gameplan that was tailored to the 10 they selected and the Boks didn’t have a 9/10 combo to execute theirs.
@ACT-Crusader said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
I thought i read something recently about Rassie wanting to reinvent their game for the next cycle - not wanting to stay the same - I don't think one loss will throw him off course as it is somewhat inevitable that this kind of change goes too far on some occassions. I expect them to tighten up around the breakdown a bit and hit the one out to commit defenders, then go wide.
Whenever i type something like that it always feels like the most obvious statement in the world and what every team is trying to do...
The final quarter was interesting to see Bok players out on their feet like they were running on quick sand. Conditions did seem heavyish but not to the level to make a number of good players look ordinary
Watching Kriel unable to keep up with play for Wilsons try was pretty weird viewing
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@Dodge said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
I reckon Rassie will double down, they'll definitely try and correct the mistake of going too wide too early and will try and commit the aussies around the ruck but i reckon he's too stubborn to change their 'new total rugby' style
If they'd been a little more restrained they would have probably won the game
I thought i read something recently about Rassie wanting to reinvent their game for the next cycle - not wanting to stay the same - I don't think one loss will throw him off course as it is somewhat inevitable that this kind of change goes too far on some occassions. I expect them to tighten up around the breakdown a bit and hit the one out to commit defenders, then go wide.
Whenever i type something like that it always feels like the most obvious statement in the world and what every team is trying to do...
The final quarter was interesting to see Bok players out on their feet like they were running on quick sand. Conditions did seem heavyish but not to the level to make a number of good players look ordinary
Watching Kriel unable to keep up with play for Wilsons try was pretty weird viewing
My "conspiracy" theory is maybe Rassie has been thrashing the snot out of them with view to tapering for the ABs. Making sure the powder remains dehydrated.
That's always my favourite theory after any loss. The most comforting thing as a fan to think 'well it's clearly because we worked TOO hard before the game, with an eye to the bigger games to come'.
Will be interesting to see how the boks respond, was it a one off bad day or are there cracks appearing ?
while I think they have clearly been number 1 based on results I believe the gap between them and the chasing pack in ability has been closer than many bok supporters think and it will only take small margins of change for there to be no gap , just my opinion.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
That's always my favourite theory after any loss. The most comforting thing as a fan to think 'well it's clearly because we worked TOO hard before the game, with an eye to the bigger games to come'.
Yeah it'd be pretty hard to believe the springboks were focusing on the number 2 ranked team and not peaking for the 57th ranked team.
The Boks have been overrated for ages. Not saying they aren't one of the top teams, but they've never been "ahead of the pack", they have been very much in the pack since before the RWC. Their RWC win was reliant on us missing two very kickable penalties, despite playing 15 v 14 for the majority of the match. A team that was so far ahead of the pack would have won that game comfortably with the 1 man advantage.
I think this match is going to be close as hell. The Aussies are full of confidence, they were excellent against the best of the North and probably deserved to win that series, and after last weekends win they have nothing to lose. The Boks on the other hand have to try to revert to type as they got exposed badly, which doesn't tend to lead to them blowing teams off the park. And if Aus are still in the game with 15 to go... she's all on.
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
Plenty, but not as impactful as those
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
I don’t think BOK reffed offside properly in first 20. It seems that at some point he got the call to check Boks creeping at ruck time. After a couple of such penalties their rush was markedly less effective.
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
I don’t think BOK reffed offside properly in first 20. It seems that at some point he got the call to check Boks creeping at ruck time. After a couple of such penalties their rush was markedly less effective.
Ropey ...
Definitely a plan from Schmidt to do with the bench.
Not promoting Bell, Kellaway, or Gleeson into the starting lineup indicates he likes a particular way to finish the game? 
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Wobblies will regret leaving LSL out.
What is his perceived weakness? Inaccuracy? Core functions? From the outside looking in he's the sort of starting or bench forward who'd relish meeting the boks fire for fire...
@nostrildamus He’s a good no. 2 to come on after WILL. Maybe Schmidt’s team don’t rate his lineout work?
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus He’s a good no. 2 to come on after WILL. Maybe Schmidt’s team don’t rate his lineout work?
LSL can be a penalty magnet.
Williams better at lineout as you indicated
The Wallabies defensive lineout was excellent last weekend. I think that will be a real focus again.
I’m not sold on LSL but there is something to work with that could turn out to be a decent test player.
Until the mid-week Lions games, LSL had largely been a passenger. A big body whose impact was minimal. Think he could add something if he can consistently replicate the form he showed in those matches but one swallow doesn't make a season so can see why Schmidt hasn't rushed him into the team.
Nick Champion de Crespigny is a good substitute for what LSL brings. But the omission of Gleeson will be hard to plug - he's certainly more physical than most of the substitutes we've seen recently.
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
Everything else you raised is at best 50/50.
It may be the least controversial reffing performance this year. BOK did a great job, policed both sides well and has escaped any criticism in a game South Africa lost at home (which they generally take... poorly).
So if that game qualifies to you as 'ropey refereeing' you shouldn't watch rugby.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
That said, I also thought the Boks were off their feet at pretty much every ruck in that opening 15 minute blitz
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
Genuinely I think the camera angle lent itself to the pass looking more forward than it was.
Then you layer on BOK and touchie being in line and the TMO having multiple camera angles, and I think it’s time to admit the lounge might not be the best place to make that call.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
Genuinely I think the camera angle lent itself to the pass looking more forward than it was.
Then you layer on BOK and touchie being in line and the TMO having multiple camera angles, and I think it’s time to admit the lounge might not be the best place to make that call.
I will NEVER admit that
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
@kiwiinmelb said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
If the Wallabies lose we know who to blame….
