That's always my favourite theory after any loss. The most comforting thing as a fan to think 'well it's clearly because we worked TOO hard before the game, with an eye to the bigger games to come'.
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Will be interesting to see how the boks respond, was it a one off bad day or are there cracks appearing ?
while I think they have clearly been number 1 based on results I believe the gap between them and the chasing pack in ability has been closer than many bok supporters think and it will only take small margins of change for there to be no gap , just my opinion.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
That's always my favourite theory after any loss. The most comforting thing as a fan to think 'well it's clearly because we worked TOO hard before the game, with an eye to the bigger games to come'.
Yeah it'd be pretty hard to believe the springboks were focusing on the number 2 ranked team and not peaking for the 57th ranked team.
The Boks have been overrated for ages. Not saying they aren't one of the top teams, but they've never been "ahead of the pack", they have been very much in the pack since before the RWC. Their RWC win was reliant on us missing two very kickable penalties, despite playing 15 v 14 for the majority of the match. A team that was so far ahead of the pack would have won that game comfortably with the 1 man advantage.
I think this match is going to be close as hell. The Aussies are full of confidence, they were excellent against the best of the North and probably deserved to win that series, and after last weekends win they have nothing to lose. The Boks on the other hand have to try to revert to type as they got exposed badly, which doesn't tend to lead to them blowing teams off the park. And if Aus are still in the game with 15 to go... she's all on.
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
Plenty, but not as impactful as those
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
I don’t think BOK reffed offside properly in first 20. It seems that at some point he got the call to check Boks creeping at ruck time. After a couple of such penalties their rush was markedly less effective.
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Blatant in from the side to clean out the ruck for Oz first try
Forward pass for Wilson try
SA hot on attack, Oz turnover the ball, forward pass from JOC about 10 yards from his own line puts Wright away which results in a 5m lineout
Sliding doors I know but that’s where the momentum really shifted
Oz scored soon after
And no questionable decisions in South Africa's favour?
I don’t think BOK reffed offside properly in first 20. It seems that at some point he got the call to check Boks creeping at ruck time. After a couple of such penalties their rush was markedly less effective.
Ropey ...
Definitely a plan from Schmidt to do with the bench.
Not promoting Bell, Kellaway, or Gleeson into the starting lineup indicates he likes a particular way to finish the game? 
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Wobblies will regret leaving LSL out.
What is his perceived weakness? Inaccuracy? Core functions? From the outside looking in he's the sort of starting or bench forward who'd relish meeting the boks fire for fire...
@nostrildamus He’s a good no. 2 to come on after WILL. Maybe Schmidt’s team don’t rate his lineout work?
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@nostrildamus He’s a good no. 2 to come on after WILL. Maybe Schmidt’s team don’t rate his lineout work?
LSL can be a penalty magnet.
Williams better at lineout as you indicated
The Wallabies defensive lineout was excellent last weekend. I think that will be a real focus again.
I’m not sold on LSL but there is something to work with that could turn out to be a decent test player.
Until the mid-week Lions games, LSL had largely been a passenger. A big body whose impact was minimal. Think he could add something if he can consistently replicate the form he showed in those matches but one swallow doesn't make a season so can see why Schmidt hasn't rushed him into the team.
Nick Champion de Crespigny is a good substitute for what LSL brings. But the omission of Gleeson will be hard to plug - he's certainly more physical than most of the substitutes we've seen recently.
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
Everything else you raised is at best 50/50.
It may be the least controversial reffing performance this year. BOK did a great job, policed both sides well and has escaped any criticism in a game South Africa lost at home (which they generally take... poorly).
So if that game qualifies to you as 'ropey refereeing' you shouldn't watch rugby.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
That said, I also thought the Boks were off their feet at pretty much every ruck in that opening 15 minute blitz
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
Genuinely I think the camera angle lent itself to the pass looking more forward than it was.
Then you layer on BOK and touchie being in line and the TMO having multiple camera angles, and I think it’s time to admit the lounge might not be the best place to make that call.
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@voodoo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@barbarian said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@MiketheSnow said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
really ropey refereeing
Please explain?
Forward pass for Wilson try
Checked by ref, touchie and TMO. At worst it was flat.
I thought it was blatantly forward. Couldn’t believe they let it go after review. When he said backwards out of the hands I almost spat out my BLT
Genuinely I think the camera angle lent itself to the pass looking more forward than it was.
Then you layer on BOK and touchie being in line and the TMO having multiple camera angles, and I think it’s time to admit the lounge might not be the best place to make that call.
I will NEVER admit that
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
@kiwiinmelb said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
If the Wallabies lose we know who to blame….
@ACT-Crusader said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
If the Wallabies lose we know who to blame….
I'm blaming them preemptively
@Frank said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Likely finishing Bok pack:
Boan Venter/Marnus van der Merwe/Wilco Louw/Eben Etzebeth/Lood de Jager/Franco Mostert/Marco van Staden/Kwagga Smith
Will be looking to gain scrum pens, kick to 22 and maul, baby, maul.
At least Wobblies know what's coming!
@ACT-Crusader said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Who would have thought we would be even considering the Aussies being 2-0 in South Africa after that first lions test .
Things can change quickly
If the Wallabies lose we know who to blame….
Deans?
@pakman said in Boks vs Wallabies 2:
Just to add to the lottery, Doleman is the ref.
IMO he's been one of the better refs this year.
