@Jet said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
For the last 5 or 6 years, SA have had a pattern of just infringing and giving away immediate penalties once the 22 is breached to slow momentum. It's a very intentional part of their defense, imo.
Haha
agree with that 100%
they do it so well too
obviously they do plan for it . . . and maybe even train for it . . .
Tough win by the Springboks . Credit to the Pumas, they played much better. The younger Springboks now know how to play in a final and to win it. The Wellington win was the cherry.
Sacha Feinberg is the new star of the game. A future star has made his debut at Twickenham : Tomas Rapetti, the 20 y.o. Argies THP who came off the bench during the second spell. He's a absolute beast, just ask Malcom Marx who was bumped off while trying to tackle him. He was playing during the June U20 World Cup where he looked like a man among boys.
@cgrant said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Sacha Feinberg is the new star of the game. A future star has made his debut at Twickenham : Tomas Rapetti, the 20 y.o. Argies THP who came off the bench during the second spell. He's an absolute beast, just ask Malcom Marx who was bumped off while trying to tackle him. He was playing during the June U20 World Cup where he looked like a man among boys.
Very impressed by the young fella
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@cgrant said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Sacha Feinberg is the new star of the game. A future star has made his debut at Twickenham : Tomas Rapetti, the 20 y.o. Argies THP who came off the bench during the second spell. He's an absolute beast, just ask Malcom Marx who was bumped off while trying to tackle him. He was playing during the June U20 World Cup where he looked like a man among boys.
Very impressed by the young fella
If you're referring to Tomas Rapetti, I'm in complete agreement.
He already looked completely at home in International Rugby, and the Bok scrum dominance waned markedly with his introduction.
At 20, he is an infant in prop terms. Imagine how good he will be with a few years experience under the belt!
@Billy-Webb Jan Hendrik Wessels isn't a good measure for any TH. Now it was Ox I will agree.
@OomPB said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@Billy-Webb Jan Hendrik Wessels isn't a good measure for any TH. Now it was Ox I will agree.
I agree with you - up to a point Oom. Wessels hasn't impressed me (yet).
But the reality is he has been picked as a Bok, so he can't be all that bad? (Despite my misgivings).
And he did get owned by Rapetti in the scrums a good few times.
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
Oh i know the reasons. Still annoying that it gave the boks an easier match than flying to argentina in front of an Argentinean crowd.
I can see that they did it for player welfare as most argies will be heading back to Europe to their clubs.
Easier flight to London and then a short one as opposed to sa to BA, Ba to London.
Still, TRC has a huge asterisk for me due to the boks not having had to play their full compliment of away matches
@DaGrubster *****
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@MiketheSnow said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@DaGrubster said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
Bit annoying the Argies gave up home advantage to play at Twickenham, which almost gave the boks another home match if you look at the make up of the crowd.
Oh i know the reasons. Still annoying that it gave the boks an easier match than flying to argentina in front of an Argentinean crowd.
I can see that they did it for player welfare as most argies will be heading back to Europe to their clubs.
Easier flight to London and then a short one as opposed to sa to BA, Ba to London.
Still, TRC has a huge asterisk for me due to the boks not having had to play their full compliment of away matches
There were probably more AB fans in Perth than Australian. Asterisk my ass.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@W32 are you disputing that teams have better home records than away?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make since the boks did not play this game at home.
@W32 are you being obtuse lol, Argentina have a much better record at home, ergo not having to play them in front of their home crowd benefits SA. Don't worry, I still think SA were the best team and deserved to win the RC, but history clearly shows that final game would have been tougher if played in Argentina.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
@W32 are you being obtuse lol, Argentina have a much better record at home, ergo not having to play them in front of their home crowd benefits SA. Don't worry, I still think SA were the best team and deserved to win the RC, but history clearly shows that final game would have been tougher if played in Argentina.
How do you figure the ABs winning there and then losing at home? The boks managed to beat them (Argentina) even though they played pretty badly. It used to be said on these forums that the boks would never win a WC away from home, and yet here we are with three more . Nowadays it’s more about which team shows up than home advantage. Especially true for this rugby championship
A quick glance shows:
Argentina vs SA in Argentina
Played 20, won 3, drawn 1, lost 16.
Argentina vs SA in SA
Played 20, won 1, lost 19
These stats will be the same for ALL teams, even more extreme when it comes to the Tier 1 nations who are very hard to beat at home, but even with Argentina only having 4 wins and a draw in their history against SA, 4 of those 5 matches were in Argentina.
This is such a silly argument, and I am quite taken aback that you think home ground advantage doesn't count for anything. It does, across all sports, not just rugby. Winning in the enemies back yard is what it's all about.
@No-Quarter said in Springboks v Argentina Twickenham:
A quick glance shows:
Argentina vs SA in Argentina
Played 20, won 3, drawn 1, lost 16.Argentina vs SA in SA
Played 20, won 1, lost 19These stats will be the same for ALL teams, even more extreme when it comes to the Tier 1 nations who are very hard to beat at home, but even with Argentina only having 4 wins and a draw in their history against SA, 4 of those 5 matches were in Argentina.
This is such a silly argument, and I am quite taken aback that you think home ground advantage doesn't count for anything. It does, across all sports, not just rugby. Winning in the enemies back yard is what it's all about.
It’s about as silly an argument as saying the boks won the RC with a caveat..
