@hikastags said in England Vs All Blacks:

Blues won it last year and had a fair few injuries this year. At least he has international experience and an identity for how he likes to play, unlike Razor.

Yes the one year everyone was fighting for the scraps while the crusaders sorted themselves out. His style is loosing, ask Scotland

He has far more talented players to work with here than in Scotland.

He bought a forward focused game and mongrel to the Blues which they'd been lacking for decades. Ironically, the All Blacks don't have mongrel and lack a hard edge.

He’s not the answer, none of the present coaches in NZ will do any better

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Victor-Meldrew problem is razor being burnt from experience players lack of discipline Cody Taylor this week. Ardie last week.

That's his problem and no-one else's. It's his job and what he's paid to sort out

Pre Foster South Africa were way more ill disciplined.

Not sure what SA discipline history has to do with Foster

@rewa267 yes we'll put 50 or more on poor wales, but doesn't change the fact we've arguably regressed?? I believe we defeated England 4 times last year and today we lost by 13+ to them... it makes me sick really

@Steven-Harris said in England Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb you are correct
The discipline is as bad as it was under the back end of Hansen,Foster and now Robinson and it has’nt improved under the later
The aimless high kick and cross kick game still a major problem under all 3 coaches

I think a lot of it comes down to BB being immune to being dropped - aimless, low percentage kicking has been his bread and butter for years now.

The bigger problem of the above is that our forwards win enough ball to expect the backs to progress the game or even score - these moments are not that common and when they are duly wasted on yet another feckless BB kick you have to wonder what it takes to roll the dice on some of the younger options

@Mattasaurus yes our forwards can go the distance with anyone.
Our captaincy, 10 and game plan is AWOL.

Im thoroughly dejected.

So disappointed in the whole entity.

It really did'nt need to go like this.

That was shit, and it started with Robertson’s shit selections and tactics.

Proctor has shown absolutely nothing in his many chances at centre, where Tupaea and LF have done well as a combo in their short time together. Breaking that up and selecting Proctor again was a huge mistake.

We went from playing at depth and finding space last week, to the flat footed shit, passing to someone else who is flat footed.

The last 10 of the first half cost us that game.

Beauden Barrett, not once but twice, fucking TWICE missing touch from penalties which put us deep inside their 22. Changed the whole game. Even if we don’t score, England are pinned in their own end and can’t kick 2x drop kicks. That’s inexcusable, he should have been pulled off straight after the 2nd one.

And why the fuck are we taking taps from penalties 40m out? We were struggling to make metres as it was, brainless stuff.

Garbage.

Edit: it’s been pointed out that Roigard missed one of those kicks for touch.

Regardless of who it was, the team paid heavily for them. Unacceptable.

@Grooter it’s another loss where it could have been a career defining win for Razor. But it is also some what predictable in the Razor era to drop the hardest game and the most important game of the tour

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Grooter it’s another loss where it could have been a career defining win for Razor. But it is also some what predictable in the Razor era to drop the hardest game and the most important game of the tour

The most worrying sign about the Robertson era is that we play worst in what are known to be important games.........

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Grooter it’s another loss where it could have been a career defining win for Razor. But it is also some what predictable in the Razor era to drop the hardest game and the most important game of the tour

Even if we turned it around and pipped them at the death it would still rubber-stamp the current trend.

We go life and death with everyone.

We dont grab a game by the scruff of the neck and fucking win it. Like Lions test 1 in 2017.
We brutalised them.

The current team does not impose itself on anyone.

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Grooter it’s another loss where it could have been a career defining win for Razor. But it is also some what predictable in the Razor era to drop the hardest game and the most important game of the tour

The most worrying sign about the Robertson era is that we play worst in what are known to be important games.........

Eden Park against Boks?

Again we start well and dominate the 1st half then it all goes to pot in the 3rd Quarter!!!
It doesn’t work taking BB off from 10 and putting Dmac in, BB needs to stay, dmac at the back, put Jordan on the wing, frees him up to play off BB or Dmac, crap use of the bench this week and it showed, Razor had it right last week, went against what worked.
Ardie disappeared, I thought he got go subbed off for minute there!!

@stodders said in England Vs All Blacks:

@sparky said in England Vs All Blacks:

@rewa267 said in England Vs All Blacks:

@Grooter it’s another loss where it could have been a career defining win for Razor. But it is also some what predictable in the Razor era to drop the hardest game and the most important game of the tour

The most worrying sign about the Robertson era is that we play worst in what are known to be important games.........

Eden Park against Boks?

That's the one exception, aided by a really strange team selection by Rassie for that game. Not picking the likes of Snyman, Esterhuizen, Sasha, Willemse etc did help us keep our Eden Park record intact.

@BorderJB the one thing i will say about Ardie and did wonder about this during the Super season , how much petrol would he have in the tank come the back end of the season?
He looks absolutely shattered i personally think their were games that either Du Plessis Kirifi and or Peter Lakai could have started in the 7 jersey
Fair to say having Scooter injured did not help and that meant having Ardie pick up the captains role but if i have one issue with this coaching group , we select players but never play them Kirifi and Love are classic case in point

@No-Quarter said in England Vs All Blacks:

Ref manages to ruin the fucking game, again, even without foul play. Makes me want to switch off

I did.

Just watching the game. Early part of the game exposed all of our weaknesses, especially our inability to deal with high balls. We worked our way into the game, Lakai ran hard, Lord snaffled a lineout, and we scored a couple of nice tries. BB is holding us back. Two missed penalty touch finders, short pop kicks, aimless deep kicks aren't offset by his one orthodox deep kick to touch. He just fails to give us the authority and control we have to have

Well done England, better team today

England are much more clinical, they ran well, they know exactly what they are trying to do and they execute. Those two DGs were a killer near the end of the first half

@W32 said in England Vs All Blacks:

You guys make me laugh. #2 in the world and acting like it’s the end of the world. It can be far worse believe me.

I’ve never cared about the world rankings. They lag behind reality and don’t truely reflect results for performance.

England played the right tactics today - disrupted our ruck ball aggressively and employed rush defence well. You play to the ref on both those counts. We had chances to come back into the game once we’d let it slip, but weren’t up to it. BB was pretty terrible, and I don’t think some of our selections were great for this game. We have some great top-line players, but the likes of Ratima aren’t up to this level, unfortunately. However, better coaching would help cover those weaknesses. We’re very much in Razor’s image atm - when things aren’t going well, we look completely clueless. I feel for Scooter, a great guy and has been a great player, but not a captain’s asshole.