@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Roof will be on

Every point scored against NZ will be roared on like we’re shagging the last best looking girl in the bar Chip Alley.

Fixed it for you.

This is probably Wales’ best chance to beat the ABs since….

This match is huge for NZ

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

Lose - we can dream - and NZ is in the fucking toilet

Realistically - and barring injury - Razor should pick his strongest side and destroy us

If he tinkers then it could be his undoing

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

This match is huge for NZ

The pressure on Robertson to resign is growing. If we lose on Saturday, he won't be given that courtesy. He'll be fired.

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

This match is huge for NZ

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

Lose - we can dream - and NZ is in the fucking toilet

Realistically - and barring injury - Razor should pick his strongest side and destroy us

If he tinkers then it could be his undoing

Made that mistake against Italy last year.

Don't make wholesale changes, but the team certainly needs freshening up.

Last match ffor Beauden Barrett. Give him a good farewell. Same thing for Savea

@game_film We've got no chance but 2004 still haunts me, I was in the stadium and honestly thought we could do it until the Joe Rokocoko show. 24-25 🥴

@pooler-fan said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@game_film We've got no chance but 2004 still haunts me, I was in the stadium and honestly thought we could do it until the Joe Rokocoko show. 24-25 🥴

Me too

I'd go with something like:

1. Ethan De Groot
2. Codie Taylor
3. Fletcher Newell
4. Scott Barrett (c)
5. Josh Lord
6. Wallace Sititi
7. Peter Lakai
8. Christian Lio-Willie
9. Finlay Christie
10. DMac
11. Caleb Clarke
12. Quinn Tupaea
13. Leicester Fainga'anuku
14. Will Jordan
15. Ruben Love

16. George Bell
17. Tamati Williams
18. Tavatio Mafileo
19. Fabian Holland
20. Ardie Savea
21. Folau Fakatava
22. Rivez Reihana
23. Reiko Ioane

@pourfasse

Watched that. Noticed:

Tony Spreadbury was a bloody good Ref, Martyn Williams was world-class as was Gethin Jenkins, Dan Carter was as chilled in his early career as he was at the end.

Oh, and Jonathan Davies actually added value to a commentary back then.

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

This match is huge for NZ

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

Lose - we can dream - and NZ is in the fucking toilet

Realistically - and barring injury - Razor should pick his strongest side and destroy us

If he tinkers then it could be his undoing

Even a non convincing win would put him under all sorts of pressure

So did we find out what the deal is with Holland?

@Bones People think it's the same as The Netherlands. It's not.

It's just two provinces of the country. North Holland and South Holland. Okay, they are the most historically important and richest parts of the country. North Holland = Amsterdam. South Holland = Rotterdam and The Hague.

But the whole country is called The Netherlands.

@antipodean said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Predicted Team

1. Williams
2. Taukei'aho
3. Mafileo
4. Barrett
5. Holland
6. Sititi
7. Kirifi
8. Savea
9. Ratima

Stopped there. That's a fucking dreadful team.

Sititi isn't a blindside's arsehole. I'm in my 50s and I put in more dominant tackles.

Kirifi has shown the disparate leap between Super Rugby and Tests. Literally too small to have a positive impact.

Savea is fucking arse. Useless fluffybunny won't hit a ruck. Might as well select my dead grandmother.

I am expecting this to be the worst team we’ve seen all year. It is going to be a combo of those who haven’t played and those needing more chances… I can’t see anything other than farewells in the backline especially

@frugby no chance of a recall for two players loyal to nz rugby who are seemingly back in form in Folau Fakatava & Braydon Ennor?

@Grooter One can only hope

I'd like to have sees what a 9-10-12 of Roigard, McKenzie, Jordie could do this season, but unfortunately because of Raygun's insistence on BB and now injury we're only likely to see Ratima, McKenzie, Tupaea this week. Which is okay, but tells us nothing.
If he is going to make wholesale changes so we achieve nothing, then @Grooter at least I'd like to see him throw his toys and tell a few guys to watch this one from the stands because it's not fucking good enough. But sadly I don't think he has the cajones for that and we'll get what @frugby says.

@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I'd like to have sees what a 9-10-12 of Roigard, McKenzie, Jordie could do this season, but unfortunately because of Raygun's insistence on BB and now injury we're only likely to see Ratima, McKenzie, Tupaea this week. Which is okay, but tells us nothing.
If he is going to make wholesale changes so we achieve nothing, then @Grooter at least I'd like to see him throw his toys and tell a few guys to watch this one from the stands because it's not fucking good enough. But sadly I don't think he has the cajones for that and we'll get what @frugby says.

na, they'll give ALB a start alongside Proctor surely.

@MN5 ALB and Rieko surely? Unless Rieko is on the wing?

@MN5 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I'd like to have sees what a 9-10-12 of Roigard, McKenzie, Jordie could do this season, but unfortunately because of Raygun's insistence on BB and now injury we're only likely to see Ratima, McKenzie, Tupaea this week. Which is okay, but tells us nothing.
If he is going to make wholesale changes so we achieve nothing, then @Grooter at least I'd like to see him throw his toys and tell a few guys to watch this one from the stands because it's not fucking good enough. But sadly I don't think he has the cajones for that and we'll get what @frugby says.

na, they'll give ALB a start alongside Proctor surely.

Sigh. Yep, they probably will.

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 ALB and Rieko surely? Unless Rieko is on the wing?

Yes. Forgot about him ( as have the selectors ) he'll be there somewhere.

Start Love to show him some love.

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Would like to see what Love can do at 10 or 15, with Dmac at the other.

Stick give Lord and Darry (or Holland if fit) more time in the locks.

Give Parker one last chance before the season ends to impose himself on a game. The other options like Sititi seems pointless.

CLW at 8, Lakai at 7.

Anyone other than Ratima at 9

Centres is an issue. Tupaea and LF offer soemthing in attack but neither can tackle. So what the fuck do we do there?

Jordan at 14. Anyone other than Carter at 11. He was a shit show last week (and the week before).

Anyone who hasn’t had game time on the bench. At least they’ll be hunger.

Announce Beuaden’s and Savea’s retirement at the end of the match.

I expect they'll run out a full B team. It'll be an absolute mess and the All Blacks will stumble home unconvincingly, winning by less than twenty. A fitting farewell match for Sevu Reece, Finlay Christie and Anton Lienert-Brown.

However, I'd go with the best team possible, other than injuries and maybe resting players who've had a heavy workload. That best team possible would not include Beauden Barrett or Ardie Savea.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I expect they'll run out a full B team. It'll be an absolute mess and the All Blacks will stumble home unconvincingly, winning by less than twenty. A fitting farewell match for Sevu Reece, Finlay Christie and Anton Lienert-Brown.

However, I'd go with the best team possible, other than injuries and maybe resting players who've had a heavy workload. That best team possible would not include Beauden Barrett or Ardie Savea.

If Reece, ALB, and Christie are playing next week, I might have a brain aneurism

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

I read that post as requiring a 50 win margin (not 52-28)...my bad then, but I just don't see the ABs scoring that much.

Coaches blew a chance to see if Flanders was up to test rugby, they could have sent him to the ABs instead of CLW. Obviously with my Pies hat on this is more evidence against the Keystone Koaches team.

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

@sparky said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Bones People think it's the same as The Netherlands. It's not.

It's just two provinces of the country. North Holland and South Holland. Okay, they are the most historically important and richest parts of the country. North Holland = Amsterdam. South Holland = Rotterdam and The Hague.

But the whole country is called The Netherlands.

Do you mansplain to your mother with that mouth? I was asking about the earthquake in Groningen.

Regardless of the result, nothing less than most of the coaching group handing in their carpark passes when they land back home will suffice for me. Toss out the trash

@Nepia said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

They can't redeem the year now, no matter how many points they put up. And we know they won't put them up the right way, it'll be the kind of Harlem Globetrotters rugby that gets the Walrus up in arms

@canefan yes heads need to roll, we allowed England to score 33 points against us, we allowed the Springboks to score 43 against us the evidence is damning.. we used to be Respected.. now there's 20 yr olds such as Henry Pollock that see us as walkovers jesus christ it's all very rotten

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

Burn it down mate, burn it to the ground

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

Afraid of what? What more could happen between now and the naming of the side on Thursday that hasn’t in the last 24-36 hours?

There aren’t too many that haven’t played so I expect to see them plus a few more that have been used sparingly.

Not sure about the status of Holland and Ioane.