@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I'd like to have sees what a 9-10-12 of Roigard, McKenzie, Jordie could do this season, but unfortunately because of Raygun's insistence on BB and now injury we're only likely to see Ratima, McKenzie, Tupaea this week. Which is okay, but tells us nothing.
If he is going to make wholesale changes so we achieve nothing, then @Grooter at least I'd like to see him throw his toys and tell a few guys to watch this one from the stands because it's not fucking good enough. But sadly I don't think he has the cajones for that and we'll get what @frugby says.

na, they'll give ALB a start alongside Proctor surely.

@MN5 ALB and Rieko surely? Unless Rieko is on the wing?

@MN5 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I'd like to have sees what a 9-10-12 of Roigard, McKenzie, Jordie could do this season, but unfortunately because of Raygun's insistence on BB and now injury we're only likely to see Ratima, McKenzie, Tupaea this week. Which is okay, but tells us nothing.
If he is going to make wholesale changes so we achieve nothing, then @Grooter at least I'd like to see him throw his toys and tell a few guys to watch this one from the stands because it's not fucking good enough. But sadly I don't think he has the cajones for that and we'll get what @frugby says.

na, they'll give ALB a start alongside Proctor surely.

Sigh. Yep, they probably will.

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@MN5 ALB and Rieko surely? Unless Rieko is on the wing?

Yes. Forgot about him ( as have the selectors ) he'll be there somewhere.

Start Love to show him some love.

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Would like to see what Love can do at 10 or 15, with Dmac at the other.

Stick give Lord and Darry (or Holland if fit) more time in the locks.

Give Parker one last chance before the season ends to impose himself on a game. The other options like Sititi seems pointless.

CLW at 8, Lakai at 7.

Anyone other than Ratima at 9

Centres is an issue. Tupaea and LF offer soemthing in attack but neither can tackle. So what the fuck do we do there?

Jordan at 14. Anyone other than Carter at 11. He was a shit show last week (and the week before).

Anyone who hasn’t had game time on the bench. At least they’ll be hunger.

Announce Beuaden’s and Savea’s retirement at the end of the match.

I expect they'll run out a full B team. It'll be an absolute mess and the All Blacks will stumble home unconvincingly, winning by less than twenty. A fitting farewell match for Sevu Reece, Finlay Christie and Anton Lienert-Brown.

However, I'd go with the best team possible, other than injuries and maybe resting players who've had a heavy workload. That best team possible would not include Beauden Barrett or Ardie Savea.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I expect they'll run out a full B team. It'll be an absolute mess and the All Blacks will stumble home unconvincingly, winning by less than twenty. A fitting farewell match for Sevu Reece, Finlay Christie and Anton Lienert-Brown.

However, I'd go with the best team possible, other than injuries and maybe resting players who've had a heavy workload. That best team possible would not include Beauden Barrett or Ardie Savea.

If Reece, ALB, and Christie are playing next week, I might have a brain aneurism

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@nostrildamus said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@jimmyb said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Finding it incredibly hard to get excited for this game. Putting 50 on wales should be a given. Anything less would be a fail mark.

Um, now you are just being silly. England did that this year (68-14) but no one else did, including South Africa (45-12). And we didn't beat England.

Argentina put 52 on them and Japan nearly beat them. 50 is expected

I read that post as requiring a 50 win margin (not 52-28)...my bad then, but I just don't see the ABs scoring that much.

Coaches blew a chance to see if Flanders was up to test rugby, they could have sent him to the ABs instead of CLW. Obviously with my Pies hat on this is more evidence against the Keystone Koaches team.

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

@sparky said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Bones People think it's the same as The Netherlands. It's not.

It's just two provinces of the country. North Holland and South Holland. Okay, they are the most historically important and richest parts of the country. North Holland = Amsterdam. South Holland = Rotterdam and The Hague.

But the whole country is called The Netherlands.

Do you mansplain to your mother with that mouth? I was asking about the earthquake in Groningen.

Regardless of the result, nothing less than most of the coaching group handing in their carpark passes when they land back home will suffice for me. Toss out the trash

@Nepia said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@MiketheSnow said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

Perform badly against us and it's a real downer on which to end the year

I don't want to be too mean, but even if we win by 50 the year has ended on a real downer.

They can't redeem the year now, no matter how many points they put up. And we know they won't put them up the right way, it'll be the kind of Harlem Globetrotters rugby that gets the Walrus up in arms

@canefan yes heads need to roll, we allowed England to score 33 points against us, we allowed the Springboks to score 43 against us the evidence is damning.. we used to be Respected.. now there's 20 yr olds such as Henry Pollock that see us as walkovers jesus christ it's all very rotten

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble If they do go with their ‘top’ team, I wonder if it’d be better to lose and hopefully force change. It’d be another rubbish record to break and would lessen the team’s reputation even further and might not lead to any change anyway but it could be for the best in the long run.

Burn it down mate, burn it to the ground

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

i worry theyre afraid now.....and they pick a conservative team to gaurantee a good win...so all the same old faces....and they wont realise it would mean nothing, a loss with all new faces would tell us more thanexperiecned players winning a game they should win....

Afraid of what? What more could happen between now and the naming of the side on Thursday that hasn’t in the last 24-36 hours?

There aren’t too many that haven’t played so I expect to see them plus a few more that have been used sparingly.

Not sure about the status of Holland and Ioane.

@ACT-Crusader afraid of losing to wales...and that BB, Savea etc just had a bad one....and selecting them again will guarantee a win

i honestly think it more likely havili, christie and the like are more likely to be parachuted in than real, wholesale change...seriously...we're all expecting reece aren't we?

@Kiwiwomble shouldn't be Reece, a coach with long term vision would make sure to blood in Tangitau or Nanai-Seturo in a week like this, heck I'm pretty sure Ben smith with only a handful of super games made his debut on a northern tour sigh I miss Ted

@Grooter oh....i ageed 100%....but i have no faith razor does, i think they believe someone good from 10 years ago is more likely to regain their spark than someone on current hot form at a lower level will step up...experience...even experience at losing trumps all

To sum up the 2 years in charge, I think we pick largely the same side with a few more old heads to come in and we walk away with our usual mediocre 29-18 win like we always do against mediocre opposition.

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

Purposeful changes, otherwise what's the point?

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

@Dan54 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

Yep, this is the week where he trots out reward caps to the lesser squad members after his A team have covered themselves in glory beating all-comers and ensuring a grand slam.
Yuck.

@reprobate said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Dan54 said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

He also said the changes were always planned if I heard right.

Yep, this is the week where he trots out reward caps to the lesser squad members after his A team have covered themselves in glory beating all-comers and ensuring a grand slam.
Yuck.

GH and Hansen knew the team couldn't maintain max performance for three matches in a row.

@Kiwiwomble said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@ShaquilleOatmeal in the past i would have thought the same but we've had a few games we "should" have won and didn't now...now i think they honestly see a lost to England and say..."we cant possibly run out young or inepxerienced guys....if a team with the 2016 world player fo the year cant win no one can"

Regardless of selection, losing to Wales would be a fucking abomination. I think we could seriously expect a new coach by Xmas.

@Bones said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

I was asking about the earthquake in Groningen.

That was Foster's fault.

The Rassie approach:

Bower/Bell/Mafileo/Lakai/Barrett/Darry/Parker/Sititi
Christie/Love/Clarke/Tupaea/Proctor/Jordan/DMac

Williams/Sami/Tosi/Holland (if fit or Lord)/RD
Ratima/Leicester/Rieko

Bench pack on by 50.

Fresh legs!

@pakman said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

The Rassie approach:

Bower/Bell/Mafileo/Lakai/Barrett/Darry/Parker/Sititi
Christie/Love/Clarke/Tupaea/Proctor/Jordan/DMac

Williams/Sami/Tosi/Holland (if fit or Lord)/RD
Ratima/Leicester/Rieko

Bench pack on by 50.

Certainly is innovative throwing a loosie many think is too small at lock when you've got a lock on the blindside.

Not sure Williams has been practicing his throwing either, while Taukieaho might struggle at loosehead.

Thought we'd try row by row for a change.

@Bones Fabien Holland has a flu like illness apparently. Apparent so do some other members of the squad.

They really should get a flu jab before the next time they head to the UK in flu season.

@sparky maybe they did, but in NZ with current NZ strains?

@frugby said in Wales Vs All Blacks:

@Kiwiwomble Razor himself straight up said there will be changes, so I'll take him at face value.

as i say my fear is his changes are things like reece....i hope im wrong