@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Love misses a high ball but WJ cleans up. A minute or two later Wales have coasted through our defence to score in the corner
On Jordan’s wing.
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
For a couple of minutes we get very narrow, according to Marshall it's 13 phases and CC storms over for the score. That's more like it. Not given after Kirifi knocks it on in the ruck. The way we set that up was very good though, I like the direct play. If the Welsh player was responsible for the knock on, would that have been a YC last weekend? Not that I want him to get a YC, but Cody got pinged for something similar
Watching in a pub I went to loo after first replay, which to me seemed not clear and obvious, so don’t know if there was a clear angle. In any event World Rugby needs to bin the YC onus. Then a minute later another TMO go with referee ignoring them and changing her original decision.
It’s actually painful to watch this version of rugby.
I said use AI as TMO and everyone laughed. But human error and poor judgement is killing things. If doctors can use AI to help diagnose medical problems we can use it to fix the TMO.
WR decide that constitutes YC and RC, they decide what protocols to go through. Then on game days TMO and refs fuck it up by departing from these guidelines. Set the limits, show AI what is YC and what is RC and what is not, let it make the decisions. And it will learn as it goes along
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MN5 said in Wales v All Blacks:
Only saw highlights but I'm very over Tony Johnsons commentary. When Reece scored you'd be mistaken for thinking the ABs had won the world cup, not put 50 on a pretty woeful team.
Or Justin Marshall talking up Will Jirdan anytime he got near the ball.
Marshall has been picked on enough, I thought it was time to move onto someone else.
He's a curates egg. Love some of his analysis and the level it's pitched and his excitement about great play no matter where it comes from, but he can be a wee bit boring and samey too. Dislike his clear love for certain players
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
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@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@voodoo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
Didn't he tell her to stick with her on-field decision and she said, 'no, I can see the ball was actually held up before I awarded the try'?
@Mr-Fish said in Wales v All Blacks:
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@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
@booboo said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought the ref was fine
We've certainly had worse.
I didn't blow up at any of her calls in play, so sm iInterested how our Welsh posters saw her given my lack of indignation.
She was bullied out of awarding Jordan's try though.
She'll do plenty more tests.
I thought WJ was held up
Don't agree. She was talked out of trusting the evidence of her own eyes by an inconclusive super slomo.
Not true mate - the TMO showed her the footage and said he couldn’t overrule and she went against her own decision anyway
Yeah okay.
"I can't overule you" ... but I am.
These pricks talk in code. He 100% told her to overule herself.
Didn't he tell her to stick with her on-field decision and she said, 'no, I can see the ball was actually held up before I awarded the try'?
cunning bastards!!!
I thought she had a very good game, seems to have a good feel for the game, kept control but did not seem overly intrusive by today's standards. I'd happily have her ref us again
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Plumtree off for YC hit on WJ. Those in passes aren't very good for us, every one resulted in our carrier getting smashed.
I'm not surprised. Watching it in real time it looked as obvious as an obvious thing on national obvious day.
Telegraphed passes are hospital passes.
Should we concerned that a Welsh guy that few of us have heard of scored three tries down Will Jordan's wing?
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
I thought she had a very good game, seems to have a good feel for the game, kept control but did not seem overly intrusive by today's standards. I'd happily have her ref us again
Apart from taking forever to disallow a Will Jordan try that she had clearly seen him ground, I thought Hollie Davidson had an excellent game.
I'd be happy for her to ref us again next year.
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
Should we concerned that a Welsh guy that few of us have heard of scored three tries down Will Jordan's wing?
Our defence down both sidelines was horrendous today.
Tackling and defensive positioning veered wildly from mediocre to crap, you'd think the ABs were playing a man or two down most of the game... assistant coach position needs a good hard look at.
@antipodean said in Wales v All Blacks:
@canefan said in Wales v All Blacks:
Plumtree off for YC hit on WJ. Those in passes aren't very good for us, every one resulted in our carrier getting smashed.
I'm not surprised. Watching it in real time it looked as obvious as an obvious thing on national obvious day.
Telegraphed passes are hospital passes.
Saw another one earlier in the match too. Like shooting fish in a barrel
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
No disrespect to Wales, they battled hard and scored four good tries, but they were weakest team we have played all year and that was our easiest win for some time. It felt like a bit of a training run at times.
It was a strange watch from a Welsh perspective.
I was fully expecting a 50 point defeat given how awful we have been over the last 2 years.
Pleased to see us score a few tries and look threatening out wide particularly, but surprised how easily we got to make ground in that outside channel against you.
Made me think it's a shame our team of a decade ago with the likes of Warburton, Faletau, AWJ etc didn't get a chance to play against this NZ team. They managed the odd win against SA and Aus but NZ at that time were always way too good.
We've now got a totally pointless gave against SA next week which is outside the window and we have to say goodbye to 12 or 13 of this squad to England and France.
It's going to be an utter disaster.
Well you've found your back 3
If Razor goes away from that then he's dumber than we think
Centres looked good despite all the whinging on here. No better or worse than what's been picked this year
DMac with Roigard and you have a totally different back line proposition which will score tries for fun against everyone
Not just Wales 
My missus went to the match and said it's the best atmosphere and spectacle she can remember in decades
They need to work on the smoke
That was bullshit
Holly was the best ref of the weekend by a country mile
Both were definite YCs
I’d have her reffing the RWC final if it was being played next weekend
Did you watch the other two matches?
Carly and Pearce - both English - couldn’t have been more different
You swap them and those matches would have been totally different
The inconsistency was glaring
I will say despite Holland’s supremacy at the lineout the ABs closed that line far too many times without being punished by Holly
My only black mark for the officiating team
Wales were never going to beat NZ but with 14 men for 20 mins I thought we did really well
I’ll throw it out here now
We won’t get the wooden spoon this 6N
Great tries fair play
I’ve definitely changed my opinion of Edwards
He’s getting better by the game
Put Jac Morgan and Wainwright in that back row and we're winning far more clean, quick ball
And we're slowly building a back line who can take advantage of that
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
Well you've found your back 3
Agreed and the one I've been suggesting for the last two years.
God knows whether we will see it again though.
@W32 said in Wales v All Blacks:
It will be 60-0 to the ABs
Thank fuck that aged like the most aged milk ever
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
I’d have her reffing the RWC final if it was being played next weekend
I think Luke Pearce is the best ref around at the moment, then Angus Gardner, then Hollie Davidson.
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
I’d have her reffing the RWC final if it was being played next weekend
I think Luke Pearce is the best ref around at the moment, then Angus Gardner, then Hollie Davidson.
Well if he is - which I don't think is the case - then he needs to be the benchmark for decisions which every other ref works from
He waved things off yesterday which were YC and even RC worthy in other matches
It was a joke
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
Well you've found your back 3
If Razor goes away from that then he's dumber than we think
Centres looked good despite all the whinging on here. No better or worse than what's been picked this year
DMac with Roigard and you have a totally different back line proposition which will score tries for fun against everyone
Not just Wales
Well Roigard - DMac; CC-WJ-Love 15 is such an upgrade. Why can't they see it?
@MiketheSnow Haven't seen it.
I like the way he lets the game flow, without it becoming chaotic. He'll talk rather than whistle.
I don't like the refs who keep slowing the action down. Fans pay to watch Rugby not the official.
I like Devlin and his young sidekick.
They see to call it as they see it which is refreshing among the New Zealand Rugby media at the moment.
how old is Devlin? I remember him visiting our school to talk about being an alcoholic and that wasn't exactly a few years ago. (I may be a spring chicken, but a highly seasoned one).
@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks:
how old is Devlin? I remember him visiting our school to talk about being an alcoholic and that wasn't exactly a few years ago. (I may be a spring chicken, but a highly seasoned one).
He'd be 60 at least by now I would have thought.
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
My missus went to the match and said it's the best atmosphere and spectacle she can remember in decades
They need to work on the smoke
That was bullshit
Trying to recreate 1905?
@African-Monkey said in Wales v All Blacks:
He'd be 60 at least by now I would have thought.
He seemed oldish when he visited our school in the 80s!
@nostrildamus 60-61 according to Wikipedia. He was born in 1964.
@sparky said in Wales v All Blacks:
@nostrildamus 60-61 according to Wikipedia. He was born in 1964.
I must have the wrong guy, he's practically an embryo!*
*dramatic Fern effect.
@pakman said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
My missus went to the match and said it's the best atmosphere and spectacle she can remember in decades
They need to work on the smoke
That was bullshit
Trying to recreate 1905?
That's what my valley looked like when I was growing up
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
My missus went to the match and said it's the best atmosphere and spectacle she can remember in decades
They need to work on the smoke
That was bullshit
I love that stadium, none better. Close to the pitch.
The boyos always make sure it's a great occasion.
And the Welsh crowd know their Rugby and love their team. Great to hear them in (near) full voice yesterday.
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
If Razor goes away from that then he's dumber than we think
Trust me, we don't.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
If Razor goes away from that then he's dumber than we think
Trust me, we don't.
Shittings! For someone who stuck by Foster and the explanations you stated in his defense.......
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Wales v All Blacks:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Wales v All Blacks:
@MiketheSnow said in Wales v All Blacks:
If Razor goes away from that then he's dumber than we think
Trust me, we don't.
Shittings! For someone who stuck by Foster and the explanations you stated in his defense.......
Actually, I thought Foster should go post the Irish series loss - not that he was as bad a coach as people made out, but he wasn't the one to sort out the problems, which went far deeper. Despite that, he did pretty well in the end, certainly compared to Coach Jesus, and the shit thrown at him from NZR down was unbelievable.
We've gone backwards under Robertson and, unlike Foster, he doesn't seem to be able to run a happy ship nor does he actually coach if we take what he says at face value. Two years in and he's made thing worse
Not all his fault, of course, but he has to take a fair share of the blame in over-inflating his abilities and creating the current poisonous atmosphere which seems to exist between NZR and top NZ coaching talent.