I’m more interested in what the pass mark is this week than the final margin.
I’d be looking at the quality of the performance: keeping Italy to maybe 15 points or fewer while winning comfortably, dominating the set piece and breakdown, being clinical with scoring opportunities, avoiding individual greed once the result is beyond doubt, cutting down the errors from last week, controlling territory and possession and controlling the game for the full 80 minutes.
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
similar thoughts, proctor has the chanse to step up, shore up that midfield defence and link with the rest of the backline, relist goals i think
@Kiwiwomble said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
chanse
That's got to be a league player's name.
They might get 40 minutes each against Ireland. Half a game each against the same opposition (each half can be different with subs on and player fatigue) might go some way to finalising a decision about who gets first crack in South Africa.
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
@reprobate I'm indifferent to whether they choose Tupaea or Proctor at 13. They have different strengths but I think they are of equal quality at 13. I would prefer Tupaea at 12 but am happy with Jordi who has the all court game and the combination with Love, Roigard and potentially Proctor.
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
@scribe said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
Hmmm, I love cold glass of Menoncello as a digestif.
No no no Menoncello is a collaboratively played large string instrument. in the key of C...
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.
I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)
@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.
I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)
I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from Tonga Australia Scotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.
@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.
I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)
I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from
TongaAustraliaScotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.
Good options there. I think if Menoncello was playing for SA it wouldn't be a discussion.
@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.
I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)
I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from
TongaAustraliaScotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.
Boks have 3 - De Allende, Esterhuizen and Willemse (who played 12 in the 10-43 last year).
De Allende is the best 12 in the world right now and has been for several years.
@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.
@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week
Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.
true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.
QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.
To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.
I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)
I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from
TongaAustraliaScotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.
Tuipulotu from what I understand has never been to Tonga , I actually know someone who played juniors with him at Frankston rugby club in Melbourne. His dad is Tongan and his mum is Italian/scot decent. But born and bred in Frankston Melbourne, he openly jokes about his bogan Frankston accent .
One that got away for the wallabies , but at the time when he got the Glasgow offer he didnt think higher opportunities would come his way , he had trouble getting a gametime with the rebels .
@kiwiinmelb Pellegrini -Tuipulotu-Ikitau would certainly raise some eyebrows.
@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.
They’re about the same despite the size difference.
SA having both of them AND Willemse is just unfair on other nations….
@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.
Yeah I agree on De Allende . He is one hell of a player and you want him in your back line but you don’t turn on your tv to watch him.
In other news, I’m in Rome and you wouldn’t know they are playing us tomorrow. Rugby still not really a thing here.
@MajorStokes said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.
Yeah I agree on De Allende . He is one hell of a player and you want him in your back line but you don’t turn on your tv to watch him.
In other news, I’m in Rome and you wouldn’t know they are playing us tomorrow. Rugby still not really a thing here.
Fuck i bet that's hot
@KiwiMurph just a week out from trampling the best French team ever. WR hates the ABs.
Be interesting to see how this forward pack goes against the Italians. Apparently this is the forward pack that defeated England, and coming off an embarrassing loss to Japan, Italy may be more competitive.
Love looks taller than Fehi, shows how suspect these stats are. Don't know if weight is as misleading as it was decades ago when forwards filled themselves with water etc before weighin.
Anyone else uncomfortable with these constant references from the ABs coaches to the need for ‘brutality’ on the part of the team? Brutality means needless cruelty and violence and implies the illegitimate use of force. Seems an odd choice of word, particularly given the ABs’ problems with cards in recent years. I get they want to go in hard, but ‘brutality’ sounds a tad excessive to me
@His-Bobness That came up a while ago but they may mean "merciless" or "relentless" rather than violent. Never missing tackles and making the opposition work harder to gain metres, for example.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
@His-Bobness That came up a while ago but they may mean "merciless" or "relentless" rather than violent. Never missing tackles and making the opposition work harder to gain metres, for example.
Merciless is a much better word
@His-Bobness said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:
Anyone else uncomfortable
Not in the slightest.
