@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week

Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.

true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.

QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.

To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.

I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)

I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from Tonga Australia Scotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.

@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week

Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.

true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.

QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.

To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.

I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)

I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from Tonga Australia Scotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.

Good options there. I think if Menoncello was playing for SA it wouldn't be a discussion.

@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week

Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.

true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.

QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.

To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.

I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)

I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from Tonga Australia Scotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.

Boks have 3 - De Allende, Esterhuizen and Willemse (who played 12 in the 10-43 last year).

De Allende is the best 12 in the world right now and has been for several years.

@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.

@MN5 said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Jnr said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@reprobate said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Kirwan said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

It’s a big game for Proctor, if he does a better job than QT at defense he might have the inside running for next week

Jeez that would be a bit rough. Italy who just got held to 10 points by Japan, vs a really very good French backline... that's a little uneven as a testing ground.

true, but lets reverse it. If Italy find gaps out wide he could rule himself out.

QT was great on attack, but a sieve on defence.

To be fair the Italian midfield is world class with Menoncello putting up a good argument for best 12 in the world.

I'm sure Rennie will be measuring all the relevant stats rather than our ill informed commentary. (To his detriment clearly)

I'd still go De Allende but this guy is making a case. Also Ikitau from Australia, Tuipulotu from Tonga Australia Scotland and Mccloskey from Ireland. Jordie is very much in the pack. It's a very strong position internationally.

Tuipulotu from what I understand has never been to Tonga , I actually know someone who played juniors with him at Frankston rugby club in Melbourne. His dad is Tongan and his mum is Italian/scot decent. But born and bred in Frankston Melbourne, he openly jokes about his bogan Frankston accent .
One that got away for the wallabies , but at the time when he got the Glasgow offer he didnt think higher opportunities would come his way , he had trouble getting a gametime with the rebels .

@kiwiinmelb Pellegrini -Tuipulotu-Ikitau would certainly raise some eyebrows.

@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.

They’re about the same despite the size difference.

SA having both of them AND Willemse is just unfair on other nations….

So, on the game, cold in Welly tonight?

@jnr Not if you're only as good as your last game he's not. Menoncello's a very good player, but turnovers killed their chances against Japan and he was the worst offender.
@mn5 your hard-on for Saffa midfielders is kinda weird bro

@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.

Yeah I agree on De Allende . He is one hell of a player and you want him in your back line but you don’t turn on your tv to watch him.

In other news, I’m in Rome and you wouldn’t know they are playing us tomorrow. Rugby still not really a thing here.

I'm still taking Ikitau if given the choice

@MajorStokes said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Rugbyman said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@stodders Personally I think Esterhuizen is better than De Allende. More powerful 120kgs and has a better passing game. De Allende is very experienced and makes very few errors. I wouldn't be surprised if Esterhuizen is starting at 12 by WC next year unless they want him to specialize as a bench, impact, hybrid type player.

Yeah I agree on De Allende . He is one hell of a player and you want him in your back line but you don’t turn on your tv to watch him.

In other news, I’m in Rome and you wouldn’t know they are playing us tomorrow. Rugby still not really a thing here.

Fuck i bet that's hot

Only the north of Italy play rugby. Whereas it is largely the south of France.

French ref Luc Ramos today could make things interesting

@KiwiMurph just a week out from trampling the best French team ever. WR hates the ABs.

Be interesting to see how this forward pack goes against the Italians. Apparently this is the forward pack that defeated England, and coming off an embarrassing loss to Japan, Italy may be more competitive.

Love looks taller than Fehi, shows how suspect these stats are. Don't know if weight is as misleading as it was decades ago when forwards filled themselves with water etc before weighin.

Anyone else uncomfortable with these constant references from the ABs coaches to the need for ‘brutality’ on the part of the team? Brutality means needless cruelty and violence and implies the illegitimate use of force. Seems an odd choice of word, particularly given the ABs’ problems with cards in recent years. I get they want to go in hard, but ‘brutality’ sounds a tad excessive to me

@His-Bobness That came up a while ago but they may mean "merciless" or "relentless" rather than violent. Never missing tackles and making the opposition work harder to gain metres, for example.

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@His-Bobness That came up a while ago but they may mean "merciless" or "relentless" rather than violent. Never missing tackles and making the opposition work harder to gain metres, for example.

Merciless is a much better word

@His-Bobness said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

Anyone else uncomfortable

Not in the slightest.

Huge number of empty seats for a sold out match.

Sititi looks crook?

More of Proctor in defence. Seriously.

Poor miss Proctor.

Proctor ?

Great tackle Proctor

What's the excuse for Proctor this time?

Proctor stealing a living as a Test player

Who dropped it? Just lay on the ground and slowly got it. Hadn't even got up before the ball was on the other side of the field.

Proctor is a Super Rugny player out of his depth any higher.

@Bones said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

Who dropped it? Just lay on the ground and slowly got it. Hadn't even got up before the ball was on the other side of the field.

Jordan I think

Proctor is straight dog shit. Terrible defender. Dump him and bring back Ioane.

@KiwiMurph said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

@Bones said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

Who dropped it? Just lay on the ground and slowly got it. Hadn't even got up before the ball was on the other side of the field.

Jordan I think

Should have known.

Anyone got a stream?? PM me.

Fuck that tackle attempt was weak.

Conceding early tries is a terrible habit.

Lomax carrying well. Roigard mixed bag so far.

@KiwiMurph said in 2026 Nations Championship: All Blacks v Italy:

What's the excuse for Proctor this time?

That was a shocker

Menoncello is a fabulous player, shouldn't have got through there so easily though.