Exodus

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

The Boks probably have the most players in overseas leagues, the PI the most percentage of players, but man how many NZ pro/semi pro coaches are around the world? Really I think coaching is NZs biggest advantage, and because there are so few slots available here we are spreading our power (see Lions, Ireland). What are coaches salaries like, in Top 14 etc, compared to players?

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Conveniently ignores the international coaches which are the cream of the crop.

Someone should do head coaches of the next RWC.

Not sure how a graphic illustrating coaches at club level in a response to a discussion about club coaches manages to conveniently ignores test coaches. But dont’ let me stop you feeling all aggrieved and offended - it is Tuesday after all.

I’ve got an idea - why don’t you list the head coaches for the next RWC? That could be interesting.

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

The Boks probably have the most players in overseas leagues, the PI the most percentage of players, but man how many NZ pro/semi pro coaches are around the world? Really I think coaching is NZs biggest advantage, and because there are so few slots available here we are spreading our power (see Lions, Ireland). What are coaches salaries like, in Top 14 etc, compared to players?

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Conveniently ignores the international coaches which are the cream of the crop.

Someone should do head coaches of the next RWC.

Not sure how a graphic illustrating coaches at club level in a response to a discussion about club coaches manages to conveniently ignores test coaches. But dont’ let me stop you feeling all aggrieved and offended - it is Tuesday after all.

I’ve got an idea - why don’t you list the head coaches for the next RWC? That could be interesting.

And, please, do that in a separate thread. This thread is about the exodus of players/coaches in 2019.

Now, I think of it. Maybe, if a mod would be so kind to move all these stats posts to a new, separate thread?

6 of 20, just checking Canada... Nope he's Welsh Edit see below

Wales 3
NZ* 7
Oz* 3
SA* 2
France* 1
Ireland 1
Scotland* 1
Argentina* 2

An * Means home national coaching their team. Not bad by Wales, and more than a third are kiwis

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

6 of 20, just checking Canada... Nope he's Welsh Edit see below

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That article is sooo last year.

Keane got the boot at Connacht last season.

@stargazer said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@machpants said in Exodus 2019:

The Boks probably have the most players in overseas leagues, the PI the most percentage of players, but man how many NZ pro/semi pro coaches are around the world? Really I think coaching is NZs biggest advantage, and because there are so few slots available here we are spreading our power (see Lions, Ireland). What are coaches salaries like, in Top 14 etc, compared to players?

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Conveniently ignores the international coaches which are the cream of the crop.

Someone should do head coaches of the next RWC.

Not sure how a graphic illustrating coaches at club level in a response to a discussion about club coaches manages to conveniently ignores test coaches. But dont’ let me stop you feeling all aggrieved and offended - it is Tuesday after all.

I’ve got an idea - why don’t you list the head coaches for the next RWC? That could be interesting.

And, please, do that in a separate thread. This thread is about the exodus of players/coaches in 2019.

Now, I think of it. Maybe, if a mod would be so kind to move all these stats posts to a new, separate thread?

No way. They’re staying here. They’re relevant - to where they’ve gone.

@kruse said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

Blame
Stephen Aboud, Academy Systems
Eddie O’Sullivan - Player Management
Eddie Wigglesworth, Player Succession Strategy,
David Nucifora, Performance Director,
Anthony Eddy, Sevens
& Joe Schmidt, National Test Team.
Phillip Browne, CEO

@derm-mccrum Then make a past-exodus thread.

@stargazer said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum Then make a past-exodus thread.

Ok, Herr Order

@stargazer said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum Then make a past-exodus thread.

It's not actually a real biggie. Don't let it stress you

@kruse said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

of course they have, and it's fucking great. It's awesome to see what is achieved when the entire system is pointed in one direction. They have also made smart decisions with regards to personnel.

Add in their geographical advantages (5 other top-tier rugby nations within shorter flight times than it would take me to get to the capital city of my state, let alone country) and it's a strong, sustainable combination that should continue to deliver positive results.

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@kruse said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

of course they have, and it's fucking great. It's awesome to see what is achieved when the entire system is pointed in one direction. They have also made smart decisions with regards to personnel.

Add in their geographical advantages (5 other top-tier rugby nations within shorter flight times than it would take me to get to the capital city of my state, let alone country) and it's a strong, sustainable combination that should continue to deliver positive results.

Wales and Scotland have started to follow suit - Wales now have about 60 in their academies and they are starting to bear fruit with more investment from WRU to come through.
Scotland have some green shoots starting but their playing pool isn't getting any bigger for now- and some of their key players are still going to England or France. Hogg the latest.

@derm-mccrum
Perhaps because that post is in response to a post that explicitly mentions Schmidt and Gatland? A bottom of the table Pro14 club coach from another country isn't relevant to loss of NZ depth as the last Lions coach or grand slam winning coach in a thread about NZ rugby players and coaches overseas in 2019.

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum
Perhaps because that post is in response to a post that explicitly mentions Schmidt and Gatland? A bottom of the table Pro14 club coach from another country isn't relevant to loss of NZ depth as the last Lions coach or grand slam winning coach in a thread about NZ rugby players and coaches overseas in 2019.

Ok. I've no idea what you're referring to at this point, but I think we've all moved on...

@derm-mccrum
Good of you to admit you are wrong.

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum
Good of you to admit you are wrong.

I love you too, sweetie. Xx

Finally Ardie Savea will stay in NZ after the RWC !

@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2019:

Finally Ardie Savea will stay in NZ after the RWC !

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But you told us he was definitely leaving

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

What was he?

@hooroo said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

What was he?

I’m trying to remember now, he was posting under the other name at least as far back as 2015 .

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@hooroo said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

What was he?

I’m trying to remember now, he was posting under the other name at least as far back as 2015 .

Not Thomond79??

@jegga Pot Hale I think

@hooroo said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@hooroo said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

What was he?

I’m trying to remember now, he was posting under the other name at least as far back as 2015 .

Not Thomond79??

Duluth’s got it .

@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2019:

Finally Ardie Savea will stay in NZ after the RWC !

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Not that I ever believe rumours spread by (French) media about players signing or not signing, but I'm eagerly awaiting the news from NZR/Hurricanes about Ardie re-signing.

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

A man of many disguises!!

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

I for one welcome our member from the transname community

Someone is getting a payrise...

@bovidae said in Exodus 2019:

Someone is getting a payrise...

Deserved after this season at 7.

@tim said in Exodus 2019:

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Love this story. Sounds like a super motivated guy with a good head on his shoulders. Hope he cracks the crusaders squad next year.

NZH reports that NMS will join Toulon on a 3 year deal

@tim said in Exodus 2019:

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This does make me happy.
And NMS is a little past it and always broken.
Ben Smith deserves to cash in, still be sad to see him go though.

@darren-nicholson said in Exodus 2019:

@tim said in Exodus 2019:

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This does make me happy.
And NMS is a little past it and always broken.
Ben Smith deserves to cash in, still be sad to see him go though.

Ardie had a breakout 6 months. I'm happy he's staying and happy for the other two to cash in

@canefan said in Exodus 2019:

NZH reports that NMS will join Toulon on a 3 year deal

There should put up a sign. Welcome to RFC Toulon, where All Blacks wingers go when they are not as good as they used to bel

@sparky bet you he'll still be better than Jules!! as in I back NMS to score at least ONE try