Exodus

mariner4life

@kruse said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

of course they have, and it's fucking great. It's awesome to see what is achieved when the entire system is pointed in one direction. They have also made smart decisions with regards to personnel.

Add in their geographical advantages (5 other top-tier rugby nations within shorter flight times than it would take me to get to the capital city of my state, let alone country) and it's a strong, sustainable combination that should continue to deliver positive results.

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@kruse said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@mariner4life said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum are those Irish squad sizes correct? Between 60 and 69 players? Does that include the reserves side?

All the 6 teams include both the senior and academy squads as they're called. In Ireland, we don't have "reserves' as such. The PRO14 Championship is 21 rounds, the European Cup has 6 pool rounds, (plus knockouts) and there's 10-12 tests to play, so players get game time. Last season, Leinster used 55 players during the season.

At the weekend just gone, they went away to Dragons in Wales. Cullen decided to throw his kids in at the deep end, minded by Grandad Fardy. 5 first team benchers, 11 second and third choice, and 7 academy 19/20 year olds - mainly in the backline. 4 of the academy kids scored on the night in a absolute routing 59-10. The academy keeps on giving.

Never mind the dry powder, metres-gained metrics, etc, etc... THIS, this gives me the fucking fear, as an All Blacks supporter.
It really sounds like Ireland has got their shit together.

of course they have, and it's fucking great. It's awesome to see what is achieved when the entire system is pointed in one direction. They have also made smart decisions with regards to personnel.

Add in their geographical advantages (5 other top-tier rugby nations within shorter flight times than it would take me to get to the capital city of my state, let alone country) and it's a strong, sustainable combination that should continue to deliver positive results.

Wales and Scotland have started to follow suit - Wales now have about 60 in their academies and they are starting to bear fruit with more investment from WRU to come through.
Scotland have some green shoots starting but their playing pool isn't getting any bigger for now- and some of their key players are still going to England or France. Hogg the latest.

mofitzy_

@derm-mccrum
Perhaps because that post is in response to a post that explicitly mentions Schmidt and Gatland? A bottom of the table Pro14 club coach from another country isn't relevant to loss of NZ depth as the last Lions coach or grand slam winning coach in a thread about NZ rugby players and coaches overseas in 2019.

@mofitzy_ said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum
Perhaps because that post is in response to a post that explicitly mentions Schmidt and Gatland? A bottom of the table Pro14 club coach from another country isn't relevant to loss of NZ depth as the last Lions coach or grand slam winning coach in a thread about NZ rugby players and coaches overseas in 2019.

Ok. I've no idea what you're referring to at this point, but I think we've all moved on... 🙂

Stargazer

@jauzy019 said in Exodus 2019:

Finally Ardie Savea will stay in NZ after the RWC !

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Not that I ever believe rumours spread by (French) media about players signing or not signing, but I'm eagerly awaiting the news from NZR/Hurricanes about Ardie re-signing.

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

Hooroo

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

A man of many disguises!!

jegga

@derm-mccrum said in Exodus 2019:

@jegga said in Exodus 2019:

@derm-mccrum why did you change your name?

Decided to use my name on this and a couple of other worthwhile fora. I use PotHale on most other fora. I was NH Fan when I first came on here in 2011.

I for one welcome our member from the transname community

Bovidae

Someone is getting a payrise...

canefan

NZH reports that NMS will join Toulon on a 3 year deal

canefan

@darren-nicholson said in Exodus 2019:

@tim said in Exodus 2019:

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This does make me happy.
And NMS is a little past it and always broken.
Ben Smith deserves to cash in, still be sad to see him go though.

Ardie had a breakout 6 months. I'm happy he's staying and happy for the other two to cash in

sparky

@canefan said in Exodus 2019:

NZH reports that NMS will join Toulon on a 3 year deal

There should put up a sign. Welcome to RFC Toulon, where All Blacks wingers go when they are not as good as they used to bel

Paekakboyz

@sparky bet you he'll still be better than Jules!! as in I back NMS to score at least ONE try 🙂

taniwharugby

was interesting listening on RS when they recalled that BFA was actually missed the 2011 RWC to Dagg & Guildford...

canefan

@sparky said in Exodus 2019:

@canefan said in Exodus 2019:

NZH reports that NMS will join Toulon on a 3 year deal

There should put up a sign. Welcome to RFC Toulon, where All Blacks wingers go when they are not as good as they used to bel

The owner certainly has a type doesn't he?!

KiwiMurph

@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:

was interesting listening on RS when they recalled that BFA was actually missed the 2011 RWC to Dagg & Guildford...

Dagg was in career best form and had an amazing World Cup.

Guilford...well...lol

Nepia

@kiwimurph said in Exodus 2019:

@taniwharugby said in Exodus 2019:

was interesting listening on RS when they recalled that BFA was actually missed the 2011 RWC to Dagg & Guildford...

Dagg was in career best form and had an amazing World Cup.

Guilford...well...lol

BFA wasn't really BFA back then - Dagg was better, Jane was better ... IIRC Guildford took Sivi's place.

Ben Smith the greatest ever fullback to have worn the black jersey in my book..ticked all the boxes in terms of the full all round game and more importantly rarely dropped his standards even when filling in on the wing or centre.
An absolute legend..!

Nepia

@machpants Any chance it's a mistype and they're referring to Reub Luke Whitelock?