Regarding point 2. Yes top footballers are freakishly explosive and strong but shit they certainly get more down time than your average Rugby player in which to utilise those gifts.
But I seriously doubt any Rugby players could get close to top running backs sprint times, vertical leaps etc or many forwards could match the kind of weight the tight ends are throwing around.
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
Regarding point 2. Yes top footballers are freakishly explosive and strong but shit they certainly get more down time than your average Rugby player in which to utilise those gifts.
But I seriously doubt any Rugby players could get close to top running backs sprint times, vertical leaps etc or many forwards could match the kind of weight the tight ends are throwing around.
Yeah, and that is part of the discussion and where game comparisons start to fall over. No denial from me. The real debate is if you'd rather watch a 6ft 4, 250 lb, 2 foot wider player do it, or a 6ft4, 200 bl, 1.5 foot wide player do it.
The NFL players look more the latter, and with their downtime, they could be the former.
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
Be fair. You used England/Scotland to make your point.
France were wonderful on the weekend - the French flair of old.
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
Regarding point 2. Yes top footballers are freakishly explosive and strong but shit they certainly get more down time than your average Rugby player in which to utilise those gifts.
But I seriously doubt any Rugby players could get close to top running backs sprint times, vertical leaps etc or many forwards could match the kind of weight the tight ends are throwing around.
That's because they're specialists.
I used to like NFL because I thought of it as chess with human pieces. But I found this boring and didn't see any tremendous talent like a Jerry Rice etc. Perhaps I don't watch enough these days. A 43 year old was on the winning team and an integral part of it FFS.
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
Be fair. You used England/Scotland to make your point.
France were wonderful on the weekend - the French flair of old.
First point was acknowledged. Second point yes totally .. perhaps they are showing us the way forwards.
Is the NFL actually a WADA regulated sport for doping? I imagine that there is a lot more juicing there than in rugby.
@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.
Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.
Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?
I probably could have just written that instead of my dissertation.
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.
Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.
Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...
In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.
Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.
Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?
You answered that earlier; specialist.
@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:
Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.
Didn't you (again) read about that from Redbeard?
@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:
Is the NFL actually a WADA regulated sport for doping? I imagine that there is a lot more juicing there than in rugby.
According to Google, American Football is (the world governing body is a member), but the NFL does its own testing and doesn't test for everything that WADA does.
Unripe apples v ripe oranges
First round of 6N v culmination of NFL season.
Maybe compare later rounds of the 6N
@MajorRage great post.
Penalties aren't often the defining element in the game - and I thought yesterday wasn't a great game; lots of drops, didn't really get going. It's like so many sports, the semi equivalent (conference championships) are often better games that the finals.
That said, I really got into NFL a few years ago as it's an absolute apex sport. Specialisation of positions and body types, coaching from the sideline having a huge influence on the game - it's as close as you come to chess with human beings (or war with generals directing troops). Also, the money is insane. The broadcasting revenue alone of the weakest NFL team is about 4-5 times that of the total NZ Rugby turnover. With that money comes elite training, prep, skills and coaching.
And yet, some players shine. I think Mahomes threw some great balls yesterday, but got let down by his receivers. KC just didn't fire. Games can turn on a knife edge, but the TD at the end of the first half for me was huge in putting the game away. TB is one hell of a player, and the offense just got going.
Watch more - follow some teams, watch some good players coming throuhg from College.
@tim you can watch on replay Mon/Tue/Fri - which means they are fast games without ad breaks, with continuous action. Good fun.
Not to necessarily counter the points of the OP but NH rugby (particularly UK) has been fixated on size for quite some time. The chances of someone like DMac getting a chance are slim. Even at lower club level the players look like Saffas that munch Roidos as a breakfast cereal.
Oz tend to favor a beach physique with emphasis on arms and upper body while NZ do a lot of core work.
By far the biggest difference in the games is continuity for players and performance under fatigue. I know that rugby has the scrum reset/set blight at the moment but that is still minimal compared with going and having a sit down while a whole new team goes on the field.
Big motors are way more effective than pure athletic ability in rugby.
@Crucial said in Rugby vs NFL:
By far the biggest difference in the games is continuity for players and performance under fatigue. I know that rugby has the scrum reset/set blight at the moment but that is still minimal compared with going and having a sit down while a whole new team goes on the field.
Big motors are way more effective than pure athletic ability in rugby.
Fatigue is far and away the biggest factor. The fucking NRL of all organisations recognised it, and made a tangible change.
Scrum resets. TMO interruptions. "injuries". every penalty that involves a chat from the offended captain. quick committee meeting. A slowly taken kick to the sideline. A wander up to a lineout. There are so many opportunities for rest.
Then you get to sub more than 50% of the team off during the game, including 4 of the 5 biggest guys.
All of those factors when combined with modern sports science producing incredible levels of stamina makes fatigue a rare thing.
The fatigue factor is one thing, and you could argue the NFL doesn't suffer from it (though a lot of guys play a lot of downs in a game, especially linebackers).
The NFL also has a 3D field to play in. you can spread an 11-man defense because you can run or you can pass. There is more field to cover
Rugby all you have to cover is one dimension, across.
