Rugby vs NFL

@KiwiMurph said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.

Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.

Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...

In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.

Be fair. You used England/Scotland to make your point.

France were wonderful on the weekend - the French flair of old.

First point was acknowledged. Second point yes totally .. perhaps they are showing us the way forwards.

Is the NFL actually a WADA regulated sport for doping? I imagine that there is a lot more juicing there than in rugby.

@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.

Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.

Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...

In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.

Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.

Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.

Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.

Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...

In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.

Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.

Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?

I probably could have just written that instead of my dissertation.

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MajorRage said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

@MN5 That's a great point, if you're having to get to each ruck quickly, you can't focus on training for single play athletic ability.

Yeah I remember Red Beard or Bart said it was extremely tough after scrummaging, rucking and mauling to be dynamic with the ball in hand, in saying that obviously the current batch of props do this much better than Owen Franks ever did.

Be fair. You are using the worst ball runner in the history of the game to make your point ...

In saying though, I've just thought of something else and will edit original post.

Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.

Why then did he have all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when he ran the ball ?

You answered that earlier; specialist.

@MN5 said in Rugby vs NFL:

Well yeah I did but I always read about what a freak he was in the gym.

Didn't you (again) read about that from Redbeard?

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

Is the NFL actually a WADA regulated sport for doping? I imagine that there is a lot more juicing there than in rugby.

According to Google, American Football is (the world governing body is a member), but the NFL does its own testing and doesn't test for everything that WADA does.

Unripe apples v ripe oranges

First round of 6N v culmination of NFL season.

Maybe compare later rounds of the 6N

@MajorRage great post.

Penalties aren't often the defining element in the game - and I thought yesterday wasn't a great game; lots of drops, didn't really get going. It's like so many sports, the semi equivalent (conference championships) are often better games that the finals.

That said, I really got into NFL a few years ago as it's an absolute apex sport. Specialisation of positions and body types, coaching from the sideline having a huge influence on the game - it's as close as you come to chess with human beings (or war with generals directing troops). Also, the money is insane. The broadcasting revenue alone of the weakest NFL team is about 4-5 times that of the total NZ Rugby turnover. With that money comes elite training, prep, skills and coaching.

And yet, some players shine. I think Mahomes threw some great balls yesterday, but got let down by his receivers. KC just didn't fire. Games can turn on a knife edge, but the TD at the end of the first half for me was huge in putting the game away. TB is one hell of a player, and the offense just got going.

Watch more - follow some teams, watch some good players coming throuhg from College.

@tim you can watch on replay Mon/Tue/Fri - which means they are fast games without ad breaks, with continuous action. Good fun.

Not to necessarily counter the points of the OP but NH rugby (particularly UK) has been fixated on size for quite some time. The chances of someone like DMac getting a chance are slim. Even at lower club level the players look like Saffas that munch Roidos as a breakfast cereal.
Oz tend to favor a beach physique with emphasis on arms and upper body while NZ do a lot of core work.

By far the biggest difference in the games is continuity for players and performance under fatigue. I know that rugby has the scrum reset/set blight at the moment but that is still minimal compared with going and having a sit down while a whole new team goes on the field.
Big motors are way more effective than pure athletic ability in rugby.

@Crucial said in Rugby vs NFL:

By far the biggest difference in the games is continuity for players and performance under fatigue. I know that rugby has the scrum reset/set blight at the moment but that is still minimal compared with going and having a sit down while a whole new team goes on the field.
Big motors are way more effective than pure athletic ability in rugby.

Fatigue is far and away the biggest factor. The fucking NRL of all organisations recognised it, and made a tangible change.

Scrum resets. TMO interruptions. "injuries". every penalty that involves a chat from the offended captain. quick committee meeting. A slowly taken kick to the sideline. A wander up to a lineout. There are so many opportunities for rest.

Then you get to sub more than 50% of the team off during the game, including 4 of the 5 biggest guys.

All of those factors when combined with modern sports science producing incredible levels of stamina makes fatigue a rare thing.

The fatigue factor is one thing, and you could argue the NFL doesn't suffer from it (though a lot of guys play a lot of downs in a game, especially linebackers).

The NFL also has a 3D field to play in. you can spread an 11-man defense because you can run or you can pass. There is more field to cover

Rugby all you have to cover is one dimension, across.

@Tim said in Rugby vs NFL:

I enjoy the action, the athletic ability, and the coverage, I used to go to college football games for the atmosphere, when I lived in the US, but I just find it way too slow with all the stoppages.

I went to a few college games as well. A televised game becomes so much longer will all the ad stoppages.

The amazing stat is that less than 5% of D1 college football players are drafted and even less make it to the NFL.

@mariner4life said in Rugby vs NFL:

The NFL also has a 3D field to play in. you can spread an 11-man defense because you can run or you can pass. There is more field to cover
Rugby all you have to cover is one dimension, across.

Not quite getting your point there?
The NFL is 2d unless they can fly. I suppose you could include the aerial game, but rugby has that too. You can also go forward in rugby, not just across, you just have to kick it instead of throw / pass it.

@Snowy yeah the wording is a bit fuzzy but

they are not really the same. In rugby if you want to go aerial, the guy has to be behind you to start with. In NFL he gets that headstart to you have guys all around the field to cover.

@mariner4life said in Rugby vs NFL:

@Snowy yeah the wording is a bit fuzzy but

they are not really the same. In rugby if you want to go aerial, the guy has to be behind you to start with. In NFL he gets that headstart to you have guys all around the field to cover.

Right, with you.
Could counter that the headstart is negated by possibly getting taken out before you even get to the ball. I like them both, they're just different games.

@Snowy i do to. But this is a discussion around the differences.

It's not like everyone here hasn't read my rants against modern rugby over and over again. Test rugby is a bit shit IMO. And in the interests of player safety we are making it worse.

My biggest takeaway from yesterday - and it was quite deflating - was the lack of elation at the end from the TB players, and lack of emotion from the commentators. It could have been any old one-sided regular season game.

@shark said in Rugby vs NFL:

My biggest takeaway from yesterday - and it was quite deflating - was the lack of elation at the end from the TB players, and lack of emotion from the commentators. It could have been any old one-sided regular season game.

who did you guys get as Commentators? We had an Australian specific feed, Griese i think and some other dude. And they suuuuuucked. What i would have given to hear Romo picking that game apart, let alone my boy Collinsworth

I think these seasons and games with no fans are making it feel a little unreal to the players. Even yesterday with 25,000 there.