@antipodean antichristie is pretty good bro.
totally agree that if the ball is quick and the defence is on the back foot then most anyone can make metres. I do think it helps a lot to have a couple of options to get you that initial bit of momentum though.
Your forwards also need to be getting the ball at pace, not being stationary and then trying to generate some forward momentum.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Your forwards also need to be getting the ball at pace, not being stationary and then trying to generate some forward momentum.
Yes, but as a runner you need confidence that when you can see the ball is available to start running safe in the knowledge the ball will quickly and accurately come to where you'll be.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Team gets named at 11am on Thursday.
NZT? Or yank time?
NZ time
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Your forwards also need to be getting the ball at pace, not being stationary and then trying to generate some forward momentum.
Yes, but as a runner you need confidence that when you can see the ball is available to start running safe in the knowledge the ball will quickly and accurately come to where you'll be.
A fleet footed quick passing 9 is invaluable. As good as TJP was during SR, I don't think it was a coincidence that the Canes forwards seemed to be more lethal running in the first half of the season
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Yes but if Jordie goes down are we not in bigger trouble?
Seriously our entire backline activity changes completely if hes off.
ALB would take his place but he is a very different 12 and hes been playing at 13 when he comes on has he not?Or put Proctor to 12?
if they play new people I hope they play them first in their preferred position.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
Don't think he's lost a lineout so far. Hope he starts this week.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
Don't think he's lost a lineout so far. Hope he starts this week.
He did in test one. When he went to throw and stopped
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
Don't think he's lost a lineout so far. Hope he starts this week.
He did in test one. When he went to throw and stopped
True, he’s done what’s asked of him so far though tbh. Taylor seems to be struggling with form like Barrett and Savea so would be good to give Aumua a run.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We are missing Samisoni. He is powerful enough to make yards and get momentum against a set defence. I'd love to see him start and Aumua come on late. But then if we keep Taylor and drop Aumua we don't gain that much anyway.
Unsure why they don't bring on Aumua earlier. Especially when Taylor is having a poorish game
Team needs better ball carriers. And passers.
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
Don't think he's lost a lineout so far. Hope he starts this week.
He did in test one. When he went to throw and stopped
True, he’s done what’s asked of him so far though tbh. Taylor seems to be struggling with form like Barrett and Savea so would be good to give Aumua a run.
I don't know if Taylor is struggling with form? The lineout wasn't functioning in the second Test but that can hardly be attributed solely to Taylor.
That doesn't mean it's not worth giving Aumua a go by any means.
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Gotta say Aumua has looked good so far, and I think lineouts were better when he arrived? But I might have got that wrong..
Don't think he's lost a lineout so far. Hope he starts this week.
He did in test one. When he went to throw and stopped
yes sorry I was really thinking about test 2, should have qualified.
Tamaiti Williams (7)
Asafo Aumua (8)
Fletcher Newell (15)
Scott Barrett (71) (Captain)
Tupou Vaa’i (27)
Luke Jacobson (20)
Ethan Blackadder (10)
Ardie Savea (83) (Vice Captain)
Cortez Ratima (1)
Damian McKenzie (49)
Caleb Clarke (20)
Anton Lienert-Brown (72)
Billy Proctor (0)*
Sevu Reece (25)
Beauden Barrett (125)
George Bell (0)*
Ethan De Groot (24)
Pasilio Tosi (0)*
Sam Darry (0)*
Wallace Sititi (0)*
Noah Hotham (0)*
Jordie Barrett (59) (Vice Captain)
Emoni Narawa (1)
All Blacks team named for Fiji.
Would have rather seen Jordie partner his mate in the centres but congratulations to Billy Proctor on finally making his debut.
Interesting they've gone with Reece on the wing, thought Narawa would have been given a start. Overall a very solid side.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Will likely be messy but still happy to see the debutants
It's definitely a more exciting 23 than the first 2 tests.
7 Crusaders
7 Chiefs
5 Canes
3 Blues
1 Highlander
Noah's parents are currently in the UK watching the eldest son in the Touch World Cup before heading to Paris for the sevens. I wonder if they will be making a quick trip to San Diego now.
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
By balance you mean three 7.5s ?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
Ethan at 7 feels slow. Hope he goes well, but I'd swap him and Luke.
My concern rests largely with the bench which is short of the experience required to steady the ship if this is in the balance with 20 to go.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
By balance you mean three 7.5s ?
It will be interesting to see who goes where when Sititi comes on. Does Savea move to 7? Blackadder can't be a realistic option at 6 if he isn't starting there.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
Ethan at 7 feels slow. Hope he goes well, but I'd swap him and Luke.
Richie McCaw was slow, he was still effective. Considering Ethan's the GOAT, I think he'll do just fine.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
By balance you mean three 7.5s ?
i am looking forward to caners hammering A Savea next year when he is a Blues player
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
All Blacks team named for Fiji.
Would have rather seen Jordie partner his mate in the centres but congratulations to Billy Proctor on finally making his debut.
Interesting they've gone with Reece on the wing, thought Narawa would have been given a start. Overall a very solid side.
ALB and Proctor have been running in tandem in pretty much all the training sessions. Makes sense that they get a run together and have Jordie on the bench. I like it.
Excited to see the new players in black.
Fiji will be an unpredictable proposition. From what I’ve seen so far, their attack is pretty narrow and forward dominated. Will be a good test for some of our less experienced forwards.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
By balance you mean three 7.5s ?
i am looking forward to caners hammering A Savea next year when he is a Blues player
Rancid bait!
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
6 Newbies, is that a recent record?
Only 84 caps on the bench impact would be a low for some time.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
Ethan at 7 feels slow. Hope he goes well, but I'd swap him and Luke.
Richie McCaw was slow, he was still effective. Considering Ethan's the GOAT, I think he'll do just fine.
he slowed down late career, but early on he was quick to teh breakdown. My memory was he wasn't top tier speed, but he certainly was up there when he was younger.
Look, I hope you're right ... but we've got 3x7.5 in the trio. Should b einteresting with all the new players coming through
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
I'm really liking that loose forward trio. Probably better balanced than the first two tests IMO. Sititi coming off the bench for impact will be awesome.
Ethan at 7 feels slow. Hope he goes well, but I'd swap him and Luke.
Richie McCaw was slow, he was still effective. Considering Ethan's the GOAT, I think he'll do just fine.
he slowed down late career, but early on he was quick to teh breakdown. My memory was he wasn't top tier speed, but he certainly was up there when he was younger.
Look, I hope you're right ... but we've got 3x7.5 in the trio. Should b einteresting with all the new players coming through
I think this trio will go fine against Fiji, would be different if we were playing a bigger pack.
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
What a rise for Isaiah Armstrong-Ravula. He was in the Hurricanes Under 20s behind Harry Godfrey not long ago and now he's the starting 10 for both the Drua and the Fijian national side. Awesome to see.
