@Machpants said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
ROG is such a twat.
But he's a coach that puts it all out there for his team, so not a bad idea imo
Which is what Cheika did, while acting the twat, and got the whole Rugby playing part of the nation a reputation while he was at it.
@Machpants said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@Dan54 said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@Dan54 said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
So who get's Wallaby job. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheika doesn't get the gig. They could do worse than him.
I think they would rather keep the momentum going of what Schmidt has established so Kiss makes much more sense in my view (has strong ties with Schmidt)
Yep , just Cheika has by coincidence chucked in his job at Leicester a couple of weeks back.
I wonder if RA wants to keep strong coaching teams at super clubs. Cheika has a pretty handy record at international level, with the Wallabies and Pumas?Of course I could be completely wrong too of course!!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
Yeah nah
i feel this is one of those times the stats dont give the whole picture, he also got them to the RWC final in 2015...and feel (un researched or confirmed) there was a generational loss of talent in the years afterwards...i feel they might be on the way up again (fingers crossed) and someone like him might be able to do something with that
Cheika is a short term genius. Bring him in for 1-2 years and he works magic, which then wears off as his coaching tactics lose their shine. He also says some wild stuff and can generate a headline.
I don't think that type of coach is what we need right now. I prefer the Dave Rennie/Joe Schmidt-type quiet tactician and I get the sense RA does as well.
@barbarian 100% Dave Rennie/Joe Schmidt would be better for aussie rugby...but neither are an option and im not sure who else is out there thats similar and of international quality
@barbarian said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
Cheika is a short term genius. Bring him in for 1-2 years and he works magic, which then wears off as his coaching tactics lose their shine. He also says some wild stuff and can generate a headline.
...2 years until the world cup and aussie rugby could use some press 
I actually think the best landing spot for Cheika would be the Western Force. Feels like they are stagnating a bit both on and off the field.
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@barbarian 100% Dave Rennie/Joe Schmidt would be better for aussie rugby...but neither are an option and im not sure who else is out there thats similar and of international quality
@barbarian said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
Cheika is a short term genius. Bring him in for 1-2 years and he works magic, which then wears off as his coaching tactics lose their shine. He also says some wild stuff and can generate a headline.
...2 years until the world cup and aussie rugby could use some press
Smash and grab, eh?
@Machpants said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@barbarian 100% Dave Rennie/Joe Schmidt would be better for aussie rugby...but neither are an option and im not sure who else is out there thats similar and of international quality
@barbarian said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
Cheika is a short term genius. Bring him in for 1-2 years and he works magic, which then wears off as his coaching tactics lose their shine. He also says some wild stuff and can generate a headline.
...2 years until the world cup and aussie rugby could use some press
Smash and grab, eh?
Solid history. Of something....
very cool news, one of the guys that came through our junior and senior clubs, played in the Grand Final last year, our MVP award is named after his dad, real club legends, has been named on the bench for the Brumbies, club group chat going off 
for all those people running rugby that dont think there should be a connection between the club game and the pro game....or just dont care, fuck you, half the club is probably going to go to the pub to watch the game, seeing people you have a connection with play matters, ive instantly got a softspot for the Brumbies
8 days later
Wallabies captain Harry Wilson has committed long-term to Australian Rugby, signing a four-year extension.
The deal sees Wilson commit his future to Queensland and Australia until the end of the 2029 season, the first Wallaby to do so.
Ikitau confirmed to be moving to Exeter after the 2025 Rugby Championship:
It looks to be a deal not too dissimilar to what Fainga'anuku has done, where he'll go for a season or two to Europe before returning to Super Rugby. At least, that's what Christy Doran is reporting at The Roar.
Any reason why so many Aussies go to Exeter? Is there a link between them and Aussie rugby?
So aside from the societies media blow up, this is what the 5 year residency rules mean, poaching players at a younger age. Pushing the pro wage to lower and lower age brackets, which often isn't great in the long term for younger peoples mental health and the health of the game in schools
Needing official clearance from club, state and national representatives before any such moves can be made official
Wait, what? Did I read something wrong? He's 16 and has no contract.
@antipodean said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
Needing official clearance from club, state and national representatives before any such moves can be made official
Wait, what? Did I read something wrong? He's 16 and has no contract.
Yeah it's a bit confusing, I think those rules kick in at 17. But AR want clarity from WR if that should this cover under 17, as frogs are poaching so early in this case
FMD France has a bucketload of clubs and talent pathways galore, and they're taking kids now?
Let him go if his parents are that keen for him to earn money. One locking prospect here or there isn't going to make a difference.,
@African-Monkey said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
Any reason why so many Aussies go to Exeter? Is there a link between them and Aussie rugby?
This article goes a bit more into it:
There doesn't seem to be anything formalized between RA and Exeter Chiefs, just a lot of positive feedback from former Australian Exeter players, like Nic White and Greg Holmes.
Might be a bit misleading given their current financial insecurities and poor sporting performances, but, to be fair to Exeter Chiefs, they were always a very well-run rugby club until the economic effects of the pandemic hit them hard. (see for example: https://www.thetimes.com/sport/rugby-union/article/exeter-blame-covid-hangover-as-pre-tax-losses-nearly-double-mrgb6mmkc)
9 days later
In a major boost for Australian rugby, the country’s best Super Rugby player of the past two years, Fraser McReight, has re-signed with the Queensland Reds.
A week after The Roar revealed that McReight was strongly weighing up a move to the land of the rising sun, the 26-year-old turned down a $1.3 million deal in Japan to sign a new three-year deal with the Reds that will keep the openside flanker in the country beyond the 2027 home World Cup.
An announcement is expected in the coming days.
22 days later
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Waratahs are the biggest underachievers in Super Rugby. Failure is.baked in to the walls of that organisation.
@mariner4life said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Waratahs are the biggest underachievers in Super Rugby. Failure is.baked in to the walls of that organisation.
If there is a team to dislike it's the Waratahs
He'll be eligible to play against the Lions - both for Tahs and Wallabies
@Tim said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
It's interesting because I've been watching the NFL IPP series on YouTube and they've only just got around to putting him on camera.
His vertical was insane as a side point
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
I think Tahs fans are pretty realistic about our chances this year. A lot of turnover on our list, and that's going to take time to come together. Finals this year would be fantastic considering we won the wooden spoon last year, but not the end of the world if we miss out.
The second half meltdown was concerning though. Went out in a Rolls Royce and came home in an ambulance. The talent is there, just need to put together a full 80 minutes.
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Looking at their run to finish the year I’ve actually got them battling for the spoon with the Drua, starting with a loss to the Chiefs this week.
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Atrocious is harsh - they looked good in the home wins vs Force and Brumbies.
I think they really struggle at 9 and 10 if Gordon isn't at 9.
He is a pragmatic coach is Mckellar - The Brumbies were hardly the Harlem Globetrotters under his stewardship but they had good results.
@Canes4life said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Looking at their run to finish the year I’ve actually got them battling for the spoon with the Drua, starting with a loss to the Chiefs this week.
Too much credit in the bank to get the spoon I reckon
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Atrocious is harsh - they looked good in the home wins vs Force and Brumbies.
I think they really struggle at 9 and 10 if Gordon isn't at 9.
He is a pragmatic coach is Mckellar - The Brumbies were hardly the Harlem Globetrotters under his stewardship but they had good results.
Even before Gordon got injured they were disappointing…
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Atrocious is harsh - they looked good in the home wins vs Force and Brumbies.
I think they really struggle at 9 and 10 if Gordon isn't at 9.
He is a pragmatic coach is Mckellar - The Brumbies were hardly the Harlem Globetrotters under his stewardship but they had good results.
Even before Gordon got injured they were disappointing…
Disagree. Year 1 of a new coach I wouldn't call them disappointing
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Atrocious is harsh - they looked good in the home wins vs Force and Brumbies.
I think they really struggle at 9 and 10 if Gordon isn't at 9.
He is a pragmatic coach is Mckellar - The Brumbies were hardly the Harlem Globetrotters under his stewardship but they had good results.
Even before Gordon got injured they were disappointing…
Disagree. Year 1 of a new coach I wouldn't call them disappointing
Scott Robertson, Dave Rennie, Vern Cotter all won in their first years in charge. Scott Laidlaw and Clayton McMillan have both come close in recent times. Don't think there's any reason why a team with a fairly stacked line-up (and not just a thrown together Highlanders-style one) and a good coach should be making excuses just because it's 'year one'.
@Mr-Fish said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@KiwiMurph said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
@frugby said in Moana Pasifika v Waratahs:
There is no Waratahs thread on here, but at what point do people start to question if maybe Dan McKellar isn't actually as good a coach as is always claimed?
The Tahs went 2 wins 12 losses last season and got the wooden spoon
The Tahs are 4 wins 3 losses at the moment
What were people expecting? I think Mckellar is doing just fine in year 1
Results have been decent, but the performances have been atrocious accounting for the talent in the squad.
Atrocious is harsh - they looked good in the home wins vs Force and Brumbies.
I think they really struggle at 9 and 10 if Gordon isn't at 9.
He is a pragmatic coach is Mckellar - The Brumbies were hardly the Harlem Globetrotters under his stewardship but they had good results.
Even before Gordon got injured they were disappointing…
Disagree. Year 1 of a new coach I wouldn't call them disappointing
Scott Robertson, Dave Rennie, Vern Cotter all won in their first years in charge. Scott Laidlaw and Clayton McMillan have both come close in recent times. Don't think there's any reason why a team with a fairly stacked line-up (and not just a thrown together Highlanders-style one) and a good coach should be making excuses just because it's 'year one'.
I would disagree with the idea that the Waratahs are 'fairly stacked'. They have some big names but across the board stacked is not the word I would use. The Brumbies and Reds have better squads in Australia alone.
Of the Tahs big names - Tongan Thor is arguably the most overhyped rugby player on the planet, Jake Gordon is currently injured, Suaalii has missed most games due to a toe issue and Jorgensen is now out for months injured. Angus Bell has stayed fit this year which helps but there's not much left when you look at the rest of the players.
The Blues had the best squad in the comp last year and Dave Rennie had Aaron Cruden at 10 whilst Razor had Mo'unga at 10. They get credit for helping those young 10s flourish but it's night and day compared to Edmed and Creighton at 10.
