Parker v ??

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

compubox is full of shit. Parker threw more punches than that. IMO Parker took it to Joshua but lacked a plan B(just like Tua) but unlike Lewis, Joshua barely came out on top. To be honest I gave Parker 8 rounds.

The ref is a disgrace and he looked after AJ. Parker will be back though.

Hope you make it safely back from your parallel universe

more and more people seem to be coming along for the ride. Deontay Wilder wants on but I know he's just trying it piss off AJ.

Absolutely the right type of guy to have all the belts. He's charismatic, smart, well spoken and physically has no equal. But I still think AJ lost the fight. But as said. you see want you want to see.

If Parker's plan was to get in close to negate Joshua's reach advantage, then the referee keeping wide separation would be awkward for that.

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

compubox is full of shit. Parker threw more punches than that. IMO Parker took it to Joshua but lacked a plan B(just like Tua) but unlike Lewis, Joshua barely came out on top. To be honest I gave Parker 8 rounds.

The ref is a disgrace and he looked after AJ. Parker will be back though.

Hope you make it safely back from your parallel universe

more and more people seem to be coming along for the ride. Deontay Wilder wants on but I know he's just trying it piss off AJ.

Absolutely the right type of guy to have all the belts. He's charismatic, smart, well spoken and physically has no equal. But I still think AJ lost the fight. But as said. you see want you want to see.

You know your boxing better than any ferner I can think of Raz but surely you jest?

I'm not an expert and there are plenty that know more than me here. Honestly, I am probs bitterly dissapointed but I thought Parker was the busier fighter and his double jabs to the body were keeping him ahead. His T-Rex length arms did not allow him to score as much as he would have liked but his head movement and evasion was class. Joshua sat back on an infrequent jab, walking Parker down threw the right and walked back out again. That's how I saw it.

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

I'm not an expert and there are plenty that know more than me here. Honestly, I am probs bitterly dissapointed but I thought Parker was the busier fighter and his double jabs to the body were keeping him ahead. His T-Rex length arms did not allow him to score as much as he would have liked but his head movement and evasion was class. Joshua sat back on an infrequent jab, walking Parker down threw the right and walked back out again. That's how I saw it.

Does the fight say as much about Joshua and the general state of heavyweight boxing nowadays though? Lewis was very cautious to avoid Tuas hook and rightly so but at no stage did AJ even look like putting JP away. He boxed his way to a clear victory as opposed to adding to the 20 from 20 KOs....

Never seen a Parker fight where I thought, clever plan, good tactics. Ditch Barry. Forgettable boxer, no hope coach. And I reckon Parker can get into even better shape. And from what I say Joshua wasn't that troubled by inside work but he can be surprised by angles and sudden changes off either foot. Parker should be able to do that, shorter reach notwithstanding. Smaller waist faster lateral movements. Luckily, he is durable. Reading into Lennox Lewis' comments, I think the champ (who was a very clever boxer) agrees with me. In peak fitness you have the handspeed,you need better training, better tactics. Ditch Barry.

I thought AJ deserved the win but wasn’t great. Parker was better than I thought he would be but if you’re going to gift your opponent the first 3 or 4 rounds you’d have to be pretty confident of your tactics for the later rounds. I saw nothing to suggest Barry had given Joe any though.

Overall, hated the fight, though not because of either of the fighters, or the ref. Those fucking commentators. WTF? Do they have to go to classes to learn how to talk while their mouth is full of AJ’s cock? I thought rugby comms were bad...

@jc said in Parker v ??:

I thought AJ deserved the win but wasn’t great. Parker was better than I thought he would be but if you’re going to gift your opponent the first 3 or 4 rounds you’d have to be pretty confident of your tactics for the later rounds. I saw nothing to suggest Barry had given Joe any though.

Overall, hated the fight, though not because of either of the fighters, or the ref. Those fucking commentators. WTF? Do they have to go to classes to learn how to talk while their mouth is full of AJ’s cock? I thought rugby comms were bad...

Yep. Commentators full of wank and at the end of the day a really boring 'fight'. The heavyweight contest right before was way better.

Great boxing commentators..Roy and H.G. discussing ringcraft 2:21 in..

@jc I changed it after the 4th round to our very own Mike Angove. Far more bearable listening to him.

I know he is Kiwi but who the hell watches boxing anymore? MMA is more entertaining.

@broughie said in Parker v ??:

I know he is Kiwi but who the hell watches boxing anymore? MMA is more entertaining.

A big boxing fight will always draw more than UFC.

@mn5 said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

I'm not an expert and there are plenty that know more than me here. Honestly, I am probs bitterly dissapointed but I thought Parker was the busier fighter and his double jabs to the body were keeping him ahead. His T-Rex length arms did not allow him to score as much as he would have liked but his head movement and evasion was class. Joshua sat back on an infrequent jab, walking Parker down threw the right and walked back out again. That's how I saw it.

Does the fight say as much about Joshua and the general state of heavyweight boxing nowadays though? Lewis was very cautious to avoid Tuas hook and rightly so but at no stage did AJ even look like putting JP away. He boxed his way to a clear victory as opposed to adding to the 20 from 20 KOs....

As Carl Froch said on the UK Sky commentary, 'that's why it's called boxing, not fighting '

Horses for courses.

AJ and camp had done their homework, recognised Parker's strengths and through boxing skill and ring & ref management negated most of his threat.

There's the old adage of 'a good gig 'un will beat a good little 'un.'

Add to that 'a man with a plan'.

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@mn5 said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

I'm not an expert and there are plenty that know more than me here. Honestly, I am probs bitterly dissapointed but I thought Parker was the busier fighter and his double jabs to the body were keeping him ahead. His T-Rex length arms did not allow him to score as much as he would have liked but his head movement and evasion was class. Joshua sat back on an infrequent jab, walking Parker down threw the right and walked back out again. That's how I saw it.

Does the fight say as much about Joshua and the general state of heavyweight boxing nowadays though? Lewis was very cautious to avoid Tuas hook and rightly so but at no stage did AJ even look like putting JP away. He boxed his way to a clear victory as opposed to adding to the 20 from 20 KOs....

As Carl Froch said on the UK Sky commentary, 'that's why it's called boxing, not fighting '

Horses for courses.

AJ and camp had done their homework, recognised Parker's strengths and through boxing skill and ring & ref management negated most of his threat.

There's the old adage of 'a good gig 'un will beat a good little 'un.'

Add to that 'a man with a plan'.

Agree 100%. Joe looked completely out of his depth at times and like a 'little' fighter, not someone 193cm!

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@mn5 said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

I'm not an expert and there are plenty that know more than me here. Honestly, I am probs bitterly dissapointed but I thought Parker was the busier fighter and his double jabs to the body were keeping him ahead. His T-Rex length arms did not allow him to score as much as he would have liked but his head movement and evasion was class. Joshua sat back on an infrequent jab, walking Parker down threw the right and walked back out again. That's how I saw it.

Does the fight say as much about Joshua and the general state of heavyweight boxing nowadays though? Lewis was very cautious to avoid Tuas hook and rightly so but at no stage did AJ even look like putting JP away. He boxed his way to a clear victory as opposed to adding to the 20 from 20 KOs....

As Carl Froch said on the UK Sky commentary, 'that's why it's called boxing, not fighting '

Horses for courses.

AJ and camp had done their homework, recognised Parker's strengths and through boxing skill and ring & ref management negated most of his threat.

There's the old adage of 'a good gig 'un will beat a good little 'un.'

Add to that 'a man with a plan'.

Carl Froch , did he mention when he fought in front of 80,000 at wembley ?

He loves to get that in , its become a piss take in online boxing pages

Its funny , I came away from that fight thinking joe has a future in the sport , he may never be the number 1 , but not everyone can be number 1, but should still get some good pay days ,

I was concerned AJ would totally crush him , and that might be it for him , all over

26 is a very young heavyweight , while he lost , he still gave AJ some problems ,

landed some great body shots that he got little credit for , and frustrated AJ to a degree , he couldnt land his right hand at all , which was a first for him

Came a clear second but should be a better fighter for the experience

Pretty dull fight.

Joshua planted himself in the middle of the ring for most of it and pressed forward behind his jab. Joe spent most of his time circling.

In a fight where no-one landed much of significance, AJ was always going to be racking up the rounds.

Joe looked like someone who's primary plan was not to get knocked down. Never took the fight to Joshua and that was what he needed to do - especially after the start.

I only saw the brief highlights on the TV news last night, but good to see the real Tyson Fury has returned.

Reading a few pre-fight predictions, Teddy Atlas was on the money.

so I rewatched this arvo with a beer in hand. AJ won that fight. Not the landslide the judges implied but I was wrong.

Still think the ref ruined the contest and I think AJ was genuinely scared of JP. The ref clearly stepped in before JP could get his inside game going. in some cases before there was even a clinch.

But AJ did what he had to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I still like him as a fighter and as a champion but I think Wilder is going to knock him out. That'll be a shame because he's a classless fluffybunny that wants to kill someone eventually in the ring. He said this and meant it.

So can someone explain how the boxing rankings for the 4 different belts work?

I don't understand how AJ isn't on the WBC/WBO lists at all and JP isn't on any but WBO.

Povetkin and Whyte seem to be ranked highly on all 4, is there any logic to this or is it just boxing politics?

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

so I rewatched this arvo with a beer in hand. AJ won that fight. Not the landslide the judges implied but I was wrong.

Still think the ref ruined the contest and I think AJ was genuinely scared of JP. The ref clearly stepped in before JP could get his inside game going. in some cases before there was even a clinch.

But AJ did what he had to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I still like him as a fighter and as a champion but I think Wilder is going to knock him out. That'll be a shame because he's a classless fluffybunny that wants to kill someone eventually in the ring. He said this and meant it.

Ironic, one woulda thought you were pissed based on your first review of the fight

@rembrandt said in Parker v ??:

So can someone explain how the boxing rankings for the 4 different belts work?

I don't understand how AJ isn't on the WBC/WBO lists at all and JP isn't on any but WBO.

Povetkin and Whyte seem to be ranked highly on all 4, is there any logic to this or is it just boxing politics?

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If you are a promoter , you put money in the boot of your car , walk into an office, hand over the money.

Your fighter then moves up the rankings.

@jc said in Parker v ??:

I thought AJ deserved the win but wasn’t great. Parker was better than I thought he would be but if you’re going to gift your opponent the first 3 or 4 rounds you’d have to be pretty confident of your tactics for the later rounds. I saw nothing to suggest Barry had given Joe any though.

Overall, hated the fight, though not because of either of the fighters, or the ref. Those fucking commentators. WTF? Do they have to go to classes to learn how to talk while their mouth is full of AJ’s cock? I thought rugby comms were bad...

Yeah took us two rounds and we switched to the alternative commentary which was a kiwi guy who sounded like he had a mouthguard in. Called it pretty well though

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

so I rewatched this arvo with a beer in hand. AJ won that fight. Not the landslide the judges implied but I was wrong.

Still think the ref ruined the contest and I think AJ was genuinely scared of JP. The ref clearly stepped in before JP could get his inside game going. in some cases before there was even a clinch.

But AJ did what he had to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I still like him as a fighter and as a champion but I think Wilder is going to knock him out. That'll be a shame because he's a classless fluffybunny that wants to kill someone eventually in the ring. He said this and meant it.

I think you are right. As much as I am not a fan of Wilder, if he fights AJ in his usual 'style' then AJ wont know whats hit him.

saw Barry saying Joe didn't execute the game plan with the double jab. I'm pretty sure that's the death knell for their partnership. Barry has publicly criticised his own boxer and it's usually the first sign of trouble.

He's right though. Parker needed to use the double jab. But I was right too, many months ago anyway. Barry does not have the strong enough personality nor the respect of boxer for Joe to trust the game plan.

Or Barry hasn't done enough training with Joe to make that double jab stick as his go-to strategy for this fight. You know your boxer will be dealing with fatigue, nerves, getting hit etc - so surely you look to lock that stuff in at a muscle memory level?? If Joe had to think about it, the boat has already sailed imo.

ps hope that Wilder knocks out AJ and Parker gets a rematch but wins due to a superior chin

But do wonder if AJ might end up sitting Wilder on his ass - and only did what he needed too against Joe.

Not a bad read

@mn5 said in Parker v ??:

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

so I rewatched this arvo with a beer in hand. AJ won that fight. Not the landslide the judges implied but I was wrong.

Still think the ref ruined the contest and I think AJ was genuinely scared of JP. The ref clearly stepped in before JP could get his inside game going. in some cases before there was even a clinch.

But AJ did what he had to do and there's nothing wrong with that. I still like him as a fighter and as a champion but I think Wilder is going to knock him out. That'll be a shame because he's a classless fluffybunny that wants to kill someone eventually in the ring. He said this and meant it.

Ironic, one woulda thought you were pissed based on your first review of the fight

No excuses on how I initially saw the fight but I was extremely hungover when I watched the fight live after a really good round of golf at $10 a hole.

@hydro11

Possibly but compared with MMA do you have to worry as much whether the result or effort can be called into question? Ever since I have been watching boxing a lot of results have been dubious from Olympic to pro. We all know Norton kicked Alis ass in that one fight but it went Alis way. Just one to come to mind. In the US I see MMA on the tele all the time. Hardly a sniff of boxing. And which title are they fighting for? WBA, IBF and I think there are another 2 organizations. WTF.

@raznomore said in Parker v ??:

saw Barry saying Joe didn't execute the game plan with the double jab. I'm pretty sure that's the death knell for their partnership. Barry has publicly criticised his own boxer and it's usually the first sign of trouble.

He's right though. Parker needed to use the double jab. But I was right too, many months ago anyway. Barry does not have the strong enough personality nor the respect of boxer for Joe to trust the game plan.

Yeah I thought that was a bit strange ,

It was like Barry was protecting himself from criticism , and pointing the finger at Joe saying not my fault his fault ,

I do remember during the Takam fight , he was yelling at joe between rounds saying , do not go back to the ropes , and joe would go straight back there .

@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:

Yeah I thought that was a bit strange ,

It was like Barry was protecting himself from criticism , and pointing the finger at Joe saying not my fault his fault ,

JP apologised to Barry after the fight so I think he's aware he (Parker) didn't always follow instructions.

I wouldn't read anymore into the comments from either of them.

@broughie said in Parker v ??:

@hydro11

Possibly but compared with MMA do you have to worry as much whether the result or effort can be called into question? Ever since I have been watching boxing a lot of results have been dubious from Olympic to pro. We all know Norton kicked Alis ass in that one fight but it went Alis way. Just one to come to mind. In the US I see MMA on the tele all the time. Hardly a sniff of boxing. And which title are they fighting for? WBA, IBF and I think there are another 2 organizations. WTF.

Norton gave Ali heaps of trouble yet Foreman disposed of him pretty easily and we all know what happened when Ali faced Georgie Boy.....

I'm fascinated to see what will happen if Fury gets back to full fitness and takes on AJ or JP.

So what is Parkers future?

Can he realistically expect another shot anytime? From what I saw and read, he didn't really come close to causing Joshua any trouble.

@majorrage said in Parker v ??:

So what is Parkers future?

Can he realistically expect another shot anytime? From what I saw and read, he didn't really come close to causing Joshua any trouble.

If this had been a rugby match it would have been

NZ (AJ) v Wales (JP)

Wales / JP deserves to be in the contest; at times makes NZ / AJ look uncomfortable and vulnerable; but ultimately finishes the gallant loser.

But on their day, Wales / JP can beat Australia, SA, Ireland, England - Wilder et al, designate country to boxer at your leisure - and will have subsequent matches / bouts.

This isn't like when Cameron was beaten by Tua and his career was effectively over. This was not a soul crushing defeat. It was a defeat that he can build on because he's only 26, a one time Champion that still has something to offer. Lightening hands and a top class chin. If he can just get a trainer that can rebuild his offence so that he has options when shit goes south he can make another title run for sure.

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@majorrage said in Parker v ??:

So what is Parkers future?

Can he realistically expect another shot anytime? From what I saw and read, he didn't really come close to causing Joshua any trouble.

If this had been a rugby match it would have been

NZ (AJ) v Wales (JP)

Wales / JP deserves to be in the contest; at times makes NZ / AJ look uncomfortable and vulnerable; but ultimately finishes the gallant loser.

But on their day, Wales / JP can beat Australia, SA, Ireland, England - Wilder et al, designate country to boxer at your leisure - and will have subsequent matches / bouts.

I think AJ needs to beat Wilder and Fury first then we can call him the ABs ,

All on track for him , but so far he has only beaten Wales and South Africa ( Vlad , used to be good but not any more )

@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:

@mikethesnow said in Parker v ??:

@majorrage said in Parker v ??:

So what is Parkers future?

Can he realistically expect another shot anytime? From what I saw and read, he didn't really come close to causing Joshua any trouble.

If this had been a rugby match it would have been

NZ (AJ) v Wales (JP)

Wales / JP deserves to be in the contest; at times makes NZ / AJ look uncomfortable and vulnerable; but ultimately finishes the gallant loser.

But on their day, Wales / JP can beat Australia, SA, Ireland, England - Wilder et al, designate country to boxer at your leisure - and will have subsequent matches / bouts.

I think AJ needs to beat Wilder and Fury first then we can call him the ABs ,

All on track for him , but so far he has only beaten Wales and South Africa ( Vlad , used to be good but not any more )

Not sure if there are many MMA fans on this thread, but the AJ v Wilder match up & hype up reminds me of the recent Stiope Miocic v Francis Ngannou fight.

I think the boxing version will go the same way, with AJ in the Miocic role.

@kiwiinmelb agree entirely. Joshua did catch Joe with a couple of glancing blows - but he didn't show crazy power or anything. Maybe he'd have gone harder if Joe had shown more aggression or rocked him earlier. Joshua is a talented dude, no doubt, but his ring craft isn't quite as exciting as he looks.

@paekakboyz said in Parker v ??:

@kiwiinmelb agree entirely. Joshua did catch Joe with a couple of glancing blows - but he didn't show crazy power or anything. Maybe he'd have gone harder if Joe had shown more aggression or rocked him earlier. Joshua is a talented dude, no doubt, but his ring craft isn't quite as exciting as he looks.

There is only one current boxer i look at and think , how do you beat this bloke ? with a gun perhaps , and that is triple g at middleweight.,

Joshua deserves his top ranking , I don’t see that same level as invincibility I see in golovkin though , not yet anyway .