@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .
That is sizeable, even on a 1.93m frame.
I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .
That is sizeable, especially on a 1.93m frame.
I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.
It’s been gradual rather than overnight since he hooked up with Lee and Lockhart.
Under Barry he tended to fight off the back foot a lot more , under Lee there is more of the kronk style , controlling centre ring and planting the front foot to unleash his shots .
So it’s all part of a plan to be more assertive.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah he is much thicker now ,he is a good 10 kgs heavier than the earlier fighter that first won the title and fought Joshua, expecting to weigh in around the117 kg mark for this fight .
That is sizeable, especially on a 1.93m frame.
I'm sure the trainers have it under control but hopefully that extra bulk doesn't make him gas quicker.
It’s been gradual rather than overnight since he hooked up with Lee and Lockhart.
Under Barry he tended to fight off the back foot a lot more , under Lee there is more of the kronk style , controlling centre ring and planting the front foot to unleash his shots .
So it’s all part of a plan to be more assertive.
It looks like useful muscle mass to me, this fight could be very interesting.
But I really don't want to see Parker face Usyk.
The size is one thing but the major plus with having Lockhart seems to be the science and structure to his conditioning.
Parker has alluded to when with Barry he over trained in camp due to himself coming into camp unfit and overweight then being thrashed to exhaustion before getting into the ring and discovering he had low energy.
Lockhart seems to have addressed this and Lee has Parker doing a lot of feints and switching levels which aren't as draining as continuously punching but distract and confuse the opponent enough then parker lands some nice combos to bank the rounds.
Sitting down on punches is the kronk style and I have noticed Parker throws as many lead rights as he does jab which again is making the opponent over think and tire and that is what I think he will do with Wardley...
I will be shocked if Parker loses this but hey shocks and upsets are part of boxing
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Parker 119kg.
Maybe he could stay in the UK after the fight and play number 8 for the ABs wit those dimensions ?
Haven't heard much from Wardley before but he's another very likeable fella, can't one of these guys become a trash talking arsehole ?
Suss stoppage was my initial reaction, but supporting joe there could be emotion in that ,
Need time to reevaluate
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
Suss stoppage was my initial reaction, but supporting joe there could be emotion in that ,
Need time to reevaluate
From online nonNZ comments you are not alone.
But what a shame. Joe in good condition with a good trainer.
I think it is now too late for him to come back. He has other options and not too injured, apparently. So pretty lucky considering the big men he has faced.
It’s funny , I’m not saying I support the argument but American boxing fans claim non British fighters get waved off. Very quickly when fighting in Britain and British fighters get all the time in the world to recover . Dunno but it’s a theory they believe.
The reality is , neither fighter gets near usyk anyway ,
But regardless of this result in a styles makes fights sense, I think Wardley will be easier pickings for usyk to dismantle
Bad luck Joe , nature of heavyweight boxing , still a warrior, what a chin that man has got .
Four losses, all to British fighters.
Genuinely upset for him, not sure he can rebuild from here. Only a single loss but pretty devastating all things considered. Really fucks up any chances he might have had to take on Usyk.
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
It’s funny , I’m not saying I support the argument but American boxing fans claim non British fighters get waved off. Very quickly when fighting in Britain and British fighters get all the time in the world to recover . Dunno but it’s a theory they believe.
The reality is , neither fighter gets near usyk anyway ,
But regardless of this result in a styles makes fights sense, I think Wardley will be easier pickings for usyk to dismantle
Bad luck Joe , nature of heavyweight boxing , still a warrior, what a chin that man has got .
You're right in regards to both having no chance against Usyk and yes, Wardley gets picked apart easier, but he also has more of a chance of landing something on Usyk than Parker or anyone else for that matter.
A real changing of the guard this result I feel. We're starting to see the new generation of HWs coming through now, with the last generation on their way out.
Absolute shocker for Parker. He was six rounds ahead but couldn't finish the job. That result will cost him millions.
Wardley beating Usak would be a massive upset.
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him.
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
Most of what you asked is true
Underestimated Wardley...after Huni I think he believed he would easily outbox him
Did he over bulk ... believe so -Wardley is cardio strong, throws a lot of punches rd1 to 12 and it was Parker that slowed. Being bulky meant he intended on getting the KO himself,
Father time...not really - Parker bulked believing he could impose his strength and power but like Huni Parker doesn't have the punch power to scare Wardley who is actually defensively better than he looks - he took the sting out of Parkers punches with his shoulder roll and leaning.
Tactics and body shape cost Parker in the end but he still could have taken it if he held or took a knee to give himself a break - easy to say from here.
Warren wanted this to happen - he has been a poor choice for a promoter for Parker all along, seeing Wardley as a UK cash cow for him.
Wardley, Dubois and Itauma to take over the new generation of British heavies. Difference between this bunch and the previous bunch is that these guys actually seem willing to jump in with anyone.
Hopefully the 2010's era of fighting unnecessary fringe journeymen instead of each other is a thing of the past.
I’ve softened on the stoppage, initially I thought it was early if we compare to other examples like fury getting punched from pillar to post by Usyk with his eyes rolling around the back of his head . But this ref is well known to call them early so at least he is consistent, and I think with joe throwing nothing back wasn’t a great look , that’s boxing.
I think with joe , it’s probably harsh to start picking faults when all the evidence before this fight points towards massive improvements, and he was winning the fight and got caught with a good shot . Thats the tough uncertain nature of the sport and that uncertainty is a big part of what makes it so appealing end of the day .
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@MiketheSnow said in Boxing Thread:
Nothing wrong in that stoppage for me
Probably fair.
This loss is even more galling cos Wardley is so likeable. Might be easier if he was more of an arsehole.
Congrats to him. Huge. Will watch his career with great interest now.
I haven't seen the fight and to be honest probably won't watch a replay. Where did it go wrong ? did he underestimate Wardley ? Did he bulk up TOO much ? Has father time caught up and made those combos just a tad slower ?
I could be wrong as only saw highlights but it looked like Wardley buckled as soon as the ref stopped it he didn't just fall to the canvas, his legs collapsed! Parker just didn't keep him out enough, and frankly doesn't seem to have the explosive punching power to get out of those tight situations...
Parker won the early rounds, but Wardley's got good defence and stamina. Maybe Parker should have been more aggressive in the middle rounds. Wardley threw a good combination late in round 10 which swung the fight in his favour. A different referee might have let things go on another ten seconds in round 11, but Parker was taking a lot of punches and not throwing anything when the ref stepped in.
My view on it is a bit more simplistic,
Joe isn’t the best heavyweight in the world and never will be, but is in the company of the best heavyweights in the world. That in itself is still an achievement. And probably went into this fight a tad overrated due to his wins of a washed up wilder, and the dangerous but limited fighters in zhang and bakole .
These types of fights for him are always going to be hard fought battles, his skills and power don’t quite get him to that point where he completely dominates but he is a warrior, he could fight wardley multiple times and win some and lose some, just like when 2 closely matched rugby teams play .
He is probably fighting at the limit of his ceiling right now, this is as good as it gets .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
My view on it is a bit more simplistic,
Joe isn’t the best heavyweight in the world and never will be, but is in the company of the best heavyweights in the world. That in itself is still an achievement. And probably went into this fight a tad overrated due to his wins of a washed up wilder, and the dangerous but limited fighters in zhang and bakole .
These types of fights for him are always going to be hard fought battles, his skills and power don’t quite get him to that point where he completely dominates but he is a warrior, he could fight wardley multiple times and win some and lose some, just like when 2 closely matched rugby teams play .
He is probably fighting at the limit of his ceiling right now, this is as good as it gets .
Totally agree.
Agree as well
Styles make fights and Parker can continue to be a top 10 or better HW which is no small feat.
Like to see him target AJ as is winnable well rewarded $ and would get him back in the mix.
Firstly I think he needs to look at Frank Warren and determine whether Frank has his best interests at heart because I don't see it... Frank saw more $$ for himself if Wardley won and he rode in then out on that pony.... dump him Joe talk to fast Eddie - both dodgy but how Warren has treated him is diabolical.
Joseph Parker is down to number 4 in Ring Magazine's Heavyweight rankings. I'd like to see him fight Daniel Dubois next.
@sparky said in Boxing Thread:
Joseph Parker is down to number 4 in Ring Magazine's Heavyweight rankings. I'd like to see him fight Daniel Dubois next.
I dunno. As I said a few years back I reckon he should think about giving it up for good. @kiwiinmelb sums it up pretty well.
Not sure the "risk/reward" is in his favour and Dubois is another with a big right hand.
Interesting to me that Joe Joyce isn't on that list, He looked pretty unstoppable beating Parker like he did just three years ago but two losses to Zhang put paid to his hopes.
Every fighter has their problem opponent. I feel Dubois might be another for Parker.
He said straight after the fight he is fighting on , said he’s still in love with the sport and the lifestyle.
I suspect he loves the money more than he lets on 
Agree with the comments on frank warren , think he has too many heavyweights in his stable and Joe is clearly down the pecking order of who his priorities lie with.
Kabayal is another fighter who can’t get a fight right now , he could be another option, although another difficult one .
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah na to Kabayel he deserves the Uysk fight more than Wardley and probably is the best chance to trouble Uysk with his body attack.
Kabayel is interesting, German but of Kurdish heritage, with an impressive reach.
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah na to Kabayel he deserves the Uysk fight more than Wardley and probably is the best chance to trouble Uysk with his body attack.
Kabayel is interesting, German but of Kurdish heritage, with an impressive reach.
Knocked out Zilei Zhang at the start of the year. No one has been able to do that so obviously has some power and an impressive record thus far.
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@kidcalder said in Boxing Thread:
Yeah na to Kabayel he deserves the Uysk fight more than Wardley and probably is the best chance to trouble Uysk with his body attack.
Kabayel is interesting, German but of Kurdish heritage, with an impressive reach.
Knocked out Zilei Zhang at the start of the year. No one has been able to do that so obviously has some power and an impressive record thus far.
yeah that is impressive, Zhang seemed very punch-resistant but is father time and bouts catching up with him?
He’s not so much the classic one punch knockout fighter
He breaks fighters down with a high volume of combinations , particularly sustained body shots . That’s what got zhang , he chopped him down like a tree .
If the usyk wardley fight can’t be made ( it’s not confirmed yet ) the fight that makes the most sense for wardley is a rematch with Parker . That’s straight out of the mouth of Ben Davidson his trainer .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
He’s not so much the classic one punch knockout fighter
He breaks fighters down with a high volume of combinations , particularly sustained body shots . That’s what got zhang , he chopped him down like a tree .
If the usyk wardley fight can’t be made ( it’s not confirmed yet ) the fight that makes the most sense for wardley is a rematch with Parker . That’s straight out of the mouth of Ben Davidson his trainer .
Kabayel is virtually the fighter Eddie Hearn tried to tell us that Dillian Whyte was. A brilliant body puncher as you said. There's a reason why he's been avoided throughout his career.
It's funny how after he beat Chisora in 2017, how no one wanted a bar of him after that.
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
He’s not so much the classic one punch knockout fighter
He breaks fighters down with a high volume of combinations , particularly sustained body shots . That’s what got zhang , he chopped him down like a tree .
If the usyk wardley fight can’t be made ( it’s not confirmed yet ) the fight that makes the most sense for wardley is a rematch with Parker . That’s straight out of the mouth of Ben Davidson his trainer .
Kabayel is virtually the fighter Eddie Hearn tried to tell us that Dillian Whyte was. A brilliant body puncher as you said. There's a reason why he's been avoided throughout his career.
It's funny how after he beat Chisora in 2017, how no one wanted a bar of him after that.
As great as he is , Mr Usyk has shown if he has a weakness it’s probably body shots .
Now that he is the A side and can pick and choose, I don’t think we will see Usyk v Kabayal
There is probably easier options for him that will generate more money .
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
He’s not so much the classic one punch knockout fighter
He breaks fighters down with a high volume of combinations , particularly sustained body shots . That’s what got zhang , he chopped him down like a tree .
If the usyk wardley fight can’t be made ( it’s not confirmed yet ) the fight that makes the most sense for wardley is a rematch with Parker . That’s straight out of the mouth of Ben Davidson his trainer .
Kabayel is virtually the fighter Eddie Hearn tried to tell us that Dillian Whyte was. A brilliant body puncher as you said. There's a reason why he's been avoided throughout his career.
It's funny how after he beat Chisora in 2017, how no one wanted a bar of him after that.
As great as he is , Mr Usyk has shown if he has a weakness it’s probably body shots .
Now that he is the A side and can pick and choose, I don’t think we will see Usyk v Kabayal
There is probably easier options for him that will generate more money .
It's the fight I'd want to see even if Usyk is far better than everyone else. He's undefeated and as you said, his main strength is Usyk's potential weakness, but yeah, promoters and fans don't get behind Kabayel.
Kabayel is almost becoming this generation's Luis Ortiz. Wait for him to get old before all of a sudden people line up to fight him. He might need to look bad in some fights to get rival promoter's and fighters attention.
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
He’s not so much the classic one punch knockout fighter
He breaks fighters down with a high volume of combinations , particularly sustained body shots . That’s what got zhang , he chopped him down like a tree .
If the usyk wardley fight can’t be made ( it’s not confirmed yet ) the fight that makes the most sense for wardley is a rematch with Parker . That’s straight out of the mouth of Ben Davidson his trainer .
Kabayel is virtually the fighter Eddie Hearn tried to tell us that Dillian Whyte was. A brilliant body puncher as you said. There's a reason why he's been avoided throughout his career.
It's funny how after he beat Chisora in 2017, how no one wanted a bar of him after that.
As great as he is , Mr Usyk has shown if he has a weakness it’s probably body shots .
Now that he is the A side and can pick and choose, I don’t think we will see Usyk v Kabayal
There is probably easier options for him that will generate more money .It's the fight I'd want to see even if Usyk is far better than everyone else. He's undefeated and as you said, his main strength is Usyk's potential weakness, but yeah, promoters and fans don't get behind Kabayel.
Kabayel is almost becoming this generation's Luis Ortiz. Wait for him to get old before all of a sudden people line up to fight him. He might need to look bad in some fights to get rival promoter's and fighters attention.
Ive just seen he has a fight scheduled for jan 10th in Germany without an opponent yet , and he is calling out Dubois .
I’m not sure Dubois has a new trainer yet , he sacked Don Charles after the usyk fight .
I didn’t see when it happened but kabayal is now also signed with frank Warren.
