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Really unfortunate for Otago that two batsmen had to retire hurt. First Rutherford after being sconed, and he was going great guns too, then Foxcroft who was also going along nicely but got absolutely nailed in a classic SBW shoulder charge. The latter returned but the two retirements hurt Otago, cost them runs and possibly the game.

This incident also begs the question of whether your 12th man should be able to contribute with both bat and ball, or possibly should they simply be a batsman given you're most likely to lose a batter. Of course, the injured batsman may actually be a bowler, hence perhaps having an AR as 12th man. Then if you lose two permanently (extremely rare, yes, but almost happened today) should there actually be two players available to step in?

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

This incident also begs the question of whether your 12th man should be able to contribute with both bat and ball, or possibly should they simply be a batsman given you're most likely to lose a batter.

Presumably to the concussion laws, rather than to injury?

Yep

Some interesting comments in here, including:

Another well-regarded Australian sports psych is Graham Winter, who played for South Australia, has worked with the Australian test team and three Australian Olympic teams and written books on the mental stresses in cricket.

He notes an oddity in the way cricketers prepare that leaves them vulnerable to creeping mental demons. "There are not many sports where there is such a difference between the practice environment and the competitive environment," he said. "I don't believe coaches come to grips with that very well."

In the nets, bowlers bowled as many balls as they can, and batsmen faced as many as possible. In a match, there were pauses between every delivery, and cricketers needed to know how to manage them.

When he runs sessions, he allows for these. Sometimes other coaches complain to him that batsmen need to feel bat on ball. "You also need time to practise how you own your space and how you hold your shape," said Winter. "[You need] to practise how to play cricket, not just how to bowl or hit a cricket ball."

It is an absolute fluffybunny of a game

@mariner4life said in Other Cricket 2020:

It is an absolute fluffybunny of a game

hell yeah.

Social media really doesn't help people's mental health. Chatting to someone whose mate was literally suicidal, but you'd never know it from their social media feed.

The Fern is the extent of my social media. You'll never see a more wretched hive of scum and villany, but it works for me

@Stockcar86 509/4 - Is this a record total for Premier Grade One Day Cricket in NZ?

@Higgins said in Other Cricket 2020:

@Stockcar86 509/4 - Is this a record total for Premier Grade One Day Cricket in NZ?

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I see a certain person on that scorecard has just been caught D.I.C

@Hooroo Yes (and with a large score of the wrong type too), sadly he just seems to never learn.

@Higgins said in Other Cricket 2020:

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If it is not then the second wicket partnership of 408 in 41 overs is still mightily impressive.

@Higgins 500 is an insane 50 over score - congrats, and in the clubs centenary too!

South Africa are the Jinx of Cricket finals!

I see their women lost the semi against Ozzie in a rain hampered D/L affected match

England didn't even get to play India.

I was hoping both SFs would be rained off so Aussie missed out on the final too. :grinning_face:

Aus were very lucky and so am I as I've got a couple of big punts that rely on them to win this.

India will have to follow on at this rate...

How fat has Katy Perry gotten?

@antipodean She's with child.

@sparky said in Other Cricket 2020:

@antipodean She's with child.

Looks like she ate it.

This probably counts as other cricket.

Henry Cooper scored another Plunkett Shield tonne today, the selectors must be taking notice.

Speaking of the Plunket Shield, some history was made in the previous round. It was the first time ever that a player from each team made a century in both innings. The players were Joe Carter (ND) and Mark Chapman (Auckland).

Lucky i have a lawn at my rental for rugby and cricket with my son.


"In the first 25 matches of his test career, from his debut in March 2008 to the middle of the tour of England in May 2013, Southee took 81 wickets at an average of 34 and a strike rate of 64.

"In the next 25, from the final match of that 2013 tour to the end of the tour of Zimbabwe in August 2016, he took 91 wickets at an average of 31 and a strike rate of 63.

"Then in his last 23 matches, from the tour of South Africa in August 2016 to the end of India's visit in March, he has taken 112 wickets at an average of 24 and a strike rate of 49."

Okay the next person who tries claiming that Southee is past it or a journeyman at Test level is wearing my walking stick - the metal cored one

@SynicBast I'll give you a really good example of how stats can be misleading.

In the Perth and Melbourne tests last year Southee was statistically our seond best bowler with the quality figures of 12 wickets at 25.75. However, he's an opening bowler. A strike weapon. In the first innings in Perth his first wicket was Matthew Wade. They had 225 on the board. His next wicket was at 325. Hardly the stuff of a genuine strike bowler (ie one who can help his team in all conditions). In the second innings he got David Warner with 44 on the board which was helpful but then next struck at 148. He very nearly claimed a ten-for in this match, FFS! But we were never in it, basically batted out of it in the first innings.

In Melbourne, he got three first innings wickets. Normally that's probably quite a useful return. Except the three were batting heavyweights Starc, Cummins and Lyon and his first was at 435. Nothing in the relatively brief second innings of this match although Wagner got three and even Mitchell Santner burgled a wicket.

I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.

@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:

I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.

You're not suggesting he could be selected on that basis?

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:

I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.

You're not suggesting he could be selected on that basis?

Someone's got to clean them up, otherwise that's how you get McGrath making a test 50 against us.

Southee hasn't played every test - what are the equivalent figures like for Boult and any other opening bowlers we've tried?

@shark those are outstanding numbers over a 12 year period. What the fuck does the guy have to do to get some much deserved recognition for what he’s achieved?

You could pick any bowler that has ever played a test and lay claims to why they’re shit and why their stats don’t tell the whole picture.

Jog on pal.

@shark Selective incidents can allow one to make a claim that Hadlee was a shit bowler at one period because in one test he took no wickets because Chatfield, Cairns and Coney took all of them. Yes there is a difference in batting quality between top order and tail enders but these days being able to polish off the tail quickly/and or cheaply is a lot harder than it was - Wagner picks up an awful lot of lower order wickets but we don't criticise him for not knocking off the top order in droves more regularly.

@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

@Godder said in Other Cricket 2020:

I'd say that's more of an issue that Southee isn't an opening bowler, but he might be good for mopping up the tail.

You're not suggesting he could be selected on that basis?

Someone's got to clean them up, otherwise that's how you get McGrath making a test 50 against us.

Southee hasn't played every test - what are the equivalent figures like for Boult and any other opening bowlers we've tried?

That's like saying a batsman who makes decent scores in lost cause innings should be selected because of that ability.

@Gunner said in Other Cricket 2020:

@shark those are outstanding numbers over a 12 year period. What the fuck does the guy have to do to get some much deserved recognition for what he’s achieved?

You could pick any bowler that has ever played a test and lay claims to why they’re shit and why their stats don’t tell the whole picture.

Jog on pal.

He barely averages under 30, FFS. Open your blinkers: Southee is servicable but he isn't, and never has been, a genuine stike bowler. In 136 bowling innings he's taken five wickets or more just ten times. One ten-for in his entire career. It'd be interesting to see who those hauls were against, and the match results. And that's the good stuff.

The really negative stuff is his batting, which has attracted plenty of attention over the years and has had enough criticism already. I don't need to add to it, suffice to say Blind Freddie knows he's one of the most selfish and careless batsmen NZ has ever seen. Luckily, he's not there for that.

And the real nadir of his career are the various rumours that have followed him around. From his tour behaviour, specifically his reputation as an icorrigible 'swordsman' - by all accounts on par with the kind of behaviour which saw opening batsman Matthew Elliott axed from the Australian team after an Ashes tour in the 90s - to the rumour that he made himself unavailable for the third test in Sydney earlier this year after being told Tom Latham would be the skipper. The former apparently created a division in the team between those who thought his prolific rooting was ok, and those who felt it was wrong or potentially reputationally damaging for the NZ team.

@SynicBast said in Other Cricket 2020:

@shark Selective incidents can allow one to make a claim that Hadlee was a shit bowler at one period because in one test he took no wickets because Chatfield, Cairns and Coney took all of them. Yes there is a difference in batting quality between top order and tail enders but these days being able to polish off the tail quickly/and or cheaply is a lot harder than it was - Wagner picks up an awful lot of lower order wickets but we don't criticise him for not knocking off the top order in droves more regularly.

Wagner isn't an opening bowler.

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

Wagner isn't an opening bowler.

Wagner's a legend

I feel compelled to post something like this every time the name of one of my all time favourite cricketers comes up. I really wonder if he would have had a run at Test level if he played in SA - I suspect not given their rich depth of talent.

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

@Gunner said in Other Cricket 2020:

@shark those are outstanding numbers over a 12 year period. What the fuck does the guy have to do to get some much deserved recognition for what he’s achieved?

You could pick any bowler that has ever played a test and lay claims to why they’re shit and why their stats don’t tell the whole picture.

Jog on pal.

He barely averages under 30, FFS. Open your blinkers: Southee is servicable but he isn't, and never has been, a genuine stike bowler. In 136 bowling innings he's taken five wickets or more just ten times. One ten-for in his entire career. It'd be interesting to see who those hauls were against, and the match results. And that's the good stuff.

The really negative stuff is his batting, which has attracted plenty of attention over the years and has had enough criticism already. I don't need to add to it, suffice to say Blind Freddie knows he's one of the most selfish and careless batsmen NZ has ever seen. Luckily, he's not there for that.

And the real nadir of his career are the various rumours that have followed him around. From his tour behaviour, specifically his reputation as an icorrigible 'swordsman' - by all accounts on par with the kind of behaviour which saw opening batsman Matthew Elliott axed from the Australian team after an Ashes tour in the 90s - to the rumour that he made himself unavailable for the third test in Sydney earlier this year after being told Tom Latham would be the skipper. The former apparently created a division in the team between those who thought his prolific rooting was ok, and those who felt it was wrong or potentially reputationally damaging for the NZ team.

So we're heaping scorn on players for inappropriate sexual behaviour now ?

Shit, someone better let Shane Warne know his status as a cricketing legend has been revoked.

@nzzp Wagner IS a legend. We don't criticise him if he doesn't pick up top order wickets, because that isn't his primary job. In actual fact, he probably still gets more top order wickets than Southee though.

@MN5 Gunner seems to think Southee is beyond reproach. He's not. I'm just balancing the argument.

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

@MN5 Gunner seems to think Southee is beyond reproach. He's not. I'm just balancing the argument.

How is it up there on that high horse?

@shark said in Other Cricket 2020:

He barely averages under 30, FFS. Open your blinkers: Southee is servicable but he isn't, and never has been, a genuine stike bowler.

He's Simon Doull, basically. Good in swinging conditions, but otherwise middle of the road. Not bad by any stretch, but firmly in the solid journeyman category.

Interestingly, though, only slightly worse than Jimmy Anderson (who has longevity on his side for sure).

Possibly a nickname/sledge that's been around for ages, but I saw one of the Aussie Facebook cricket pages referring to "Jimmy Clouderson" for the first time last week. Overly harsh, but they take no prisoners across the ditch.

I'm not a noted fan of Southee. But I'm still shaking my head at opening the bowling at the SCG with Henry and CdG in our first ever Test match back there since 1683...