RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

Against Wales where they went in with a kick and chase strategy which was being gobbled up and run back at them. The just kept doing it over and over and copped some deserved shit.

I hope they kick the back to us this weekend

We get Nigel Owens. Great news...I can live with him not being card happy, even though it saved Ireland several times.

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

@Richie8-7 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

We get Nigel Owens. Great news...I can live with him not being card happy, even though it saved Ireland several times.

Certainly better than a French alternative. I just hope he insists on England not slowing everything down again. A fast game will suit us.

Saturday weather wise is looking good again.

I have to take my hat off to Shag and his team, this time last year I never thought, Franks, Bender and Ioane would not be in the 23 come semi final time. I would also not have thought Ardie would be at 6, Mounga at 10 and Bridge and Reece on the wings.

It shows that Shag and co realised they needed to change it up to be successful at RWC, unlike Ireland who stuck with the same aging players and game plan.

I don't think they were always this way, J Savea, NMS, Franks and a few others were kept past their prime based on experience and past achievements.

Perhaps they had the game plan to beat the rush defence and just set about getting the best players to match.

Maybe the losses to the Irish and some other poor performances were the catalyst to change.

Even if we don't win the WC, I take my hat off to Shag and co for evolving and trusting their process.

Owens 2 weeks in a row ,

If we win , that would seem odd if he gets the final

Who feels like stressing about Typhoons 20 and 21 forming? Let's hope it's not another Typhoon 19!!

@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

When BB scored the try it seemed that Owens was trying everything he could not to award it....it went on and on with the TMO...I think all the accusations and sour grapes from apposing teams that Refs favour the ABs is finally paying off...Owens seemed to be trying hard not to favour the ABs in any way...

@Blackheart said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

When BB scored the try it seemed that Owens was trying everything he could not to award it....it went on and on with the TMO...I think all the accusations and sour grapes from apposing teams that Refs favour the ABs is finally paying off...Owens seemed to be trying hard not to favour the ABs in any way...

What a load of shit!!! Take the tin foil hat off and enjoy the rugby

@Hooroo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Blackheart said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

When BB scored the try it seemed that Owens was trying everything he could not to award it....it went on and on with the TMO...I think all the accusations and sour grapes from apposing teams that Refs favour the ABs is finally paying off...Owens seemed to be trying hard not to favour the ABs in any way...

What a load of shit!!! Take the tin foil hat off and enjoy the rugby

There almost was a communication snafu that disallowed BBs try. Quite bizarre

@canefan not really, he was watching it on the big screen and thought he saw Reese touch the ball. The TMO had a screen a few inches away and corrected him, they worked together to make the right call.

@Kirwan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan not really, he was watching it on the big screen and thought he saw Reese touch the ball. The TMO had a screen a few inches away and corrected him, they worked together to make the right call.

I remember hearing the exchange, nigel asked if the black player touched the ball during the tackle, the TMO said more than once that he had only to finally correct himself. I dont think he ever thought Reece had touched it but his language was poor. Right decision in the end

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

@KiwiPie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

One of the better uses and exchanges I thought.

And the on-field decision was to award a try, so it's not like he was against it initially.

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@KiwiPie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

One of the better uses and exchanges I thought.

I am sure if I went back it was all good. At the time I was in a heightened state of excitement as one coach used to say

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@KiwiPie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

One of the better uses and exchanges I thought.

I am sure if I went back it was all good. At the time I was in a heightened state of excitement as one coach used to say

boomfa!

@nzzp said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@KiwiPie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

One of the better uses and exchanges I thought.

I am sure if I went back it was all good. At the time I was in a heightened state of excitement as one coach used to say

boomfa!

Maximum arousal

Saying read has a tight calf , didn’t train , spent the morning on the bike in the gym

Well I certainly agree with Eddie here

Jones had also hit out at the New Zealand media claiming its rugby reporters are just "just fans with keyboards".

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@KiwiPie said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan I was happy with it as in real time it looked like an AB knock-on and on first replay (in the pub) it looked like head to ball and hence offside. So it was exactly what the TMO is for - to check exactly what happened. He did and the try was awarded.

One of the better uses and exchanges I thought.

I am sure if I went back it was all good. At the time I was in a heightened state of excitement as one coach used to say

Nah that's exactly what happened. The tmo was saying yes his head hit it (maybe talking about the hand?) and Nigel was saying the same obviously talking about the head hitting the ball. Luckily just before Nige was about to say no try, the tmo quickly explained himself.

Jones saying they're being spied on. Someone spotted with a long lens in a nearby apartment building.

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Someone spotted with a long lens

The return of Bartman?

@Hooroo Ok thanks for the advice...re removing the tin foil hat...could be a little difficult

@Blackheart said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@gt12 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

When BB scored the try it seemed that Owens was trying everything he could not to award it....it went on and on with the TMO...I think all the accusations and sour grapes from apposing teams that Refs favour the ABs is finally paying off...Owens seemed to be trying hard not to favour the ABs in any way...

If that was the case he would have gone all Wayne Barnes and blown his whistle as BB was running down field.

@Tim said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Someone spotted with a long lens

The return of Bartman?

Apparently they were videoing! As to how you would know that, I have no idea.

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Tim said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Someone spotted with a long lens

The return of Bartman?

Apparently they were videoing! As to how you would know that, I have no idea.

May be they wanted to know how to kick a decent gary owen?

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Tim said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Someone spotted with a long lens

The return of Bartman?

Apparently they were videoing! As to how you would know that, I have no idea.

May be they wanted to know how to kick a decent gary owen?

Well can't be a huge amount of Gary's in Japan.

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Duluth said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Rapido

Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

Player	Tackles	Missed Tackles
M Vunipola	20	0
George	18	0
Sinckler	10	1
Itoje	15	0
Lawes	15	0
Curry	17	1
Underhill	20	2
B Vunipola	16	0

Also fairly straightforward when the modus operandii of the opposition is one-out running straight at a defender.

The Poms are big, strong lads. They play that style in their Premiership every week. Lapped it up.

Yeah, the English may have have had to defend for most of the game, but the Aussies didn't make doing so very difficult.

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Kirwan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@canefan not really, he was watching it on the big screen and thought he saw Reese touch the ball. The TMO had a screen a few inches away and corrected him, they worked together to make the right call.

I remember hearing the exchange, nigel asked if the black player touched the ball during the tackle, the TMO said more than once that he had only to finally correct himself. I dont think he ever thought Reece had touched it but his language was poor. Right decision in the end

Re the BB try I'm pretty certain the law was you're not offside if the ball rebounded off a player that was not playing at the ball.

Reece was attempting a tackle and it initially appeared that the ball may have bounced forward off his head. (Obviously it didn't it as he hit Sex Toy's elbow and the ball went backward off green.)

My query, which is now a moot point but I'm still interested, is if it had hit Reece's head would Mo'unga be offside as Reece did not play at the ball.

My understanding is he would not have been offside. But my understanding may be either out if date, mistaken or both.

Maybe I should ask @Damo.

@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Saying read has a tight calf , didn’t train , spent the morning on the bike in the gym

Harden up. Not like your foot is broken in three places ...

.... Nooooo ....

@booboo pretty sure that's league (not playing at the ball). Otherwise there'd be no such thing as accidental offside.

@Bones and that was what NO was getting clarification for, so have to assume it was relevant.

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@booboo pretty sure that's league (not playing at the ball). Otherwise there'd be no such thing as accidental offside.

Was certainly a law in proper rugby back in the day.

Just like you could mark a knock on... back when I knew the law book backwards.

And disagree about accidental offside. That's when a player plays at the ball, knocks it forward (for example) and it rebounds into a player in front accidentally.

@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@booboo pretty sure that's league (not playing at the ball). Otherwise there'd be no such thing as accidental offside.

Was certainly a law in proper rugby back in the day.

Just like you could mark a knock on... back when I knew the law book backwards.

And disagree about accidental offside. That's when a player plays at the ball, knocks it forward (for example) and it rebounds into a player in front accidentally.

Or when the ball comes off a player accidentally into a player in front without the player in front playing at it. For example.

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@booboo pretty sure that's league (not playing at the ball). Otherwise there'd be no such thing as accidental offside.

Was certainly a law in proper rugby back in the day.

Just like you could mark a knock on... back when I knew the law book backwards.

And disagree about accidental offside. That's when a player plays at the ball, knocks it forward (for example) and it rebounds into a player in front accidentally.

Or when the ball comes off a player accidentally into a player in front without the player in front playing at it. For example.

See, in booboo world that's play on because the player behind didn't play at it.

I really should just go read the law book myself ...

@Gunner said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I get sick of seeing these bloody columns....

Read something yesterday which talked of "the inexperienced Anton Lienart-Brown"....

He's got 40-ish caps and been in tha ABs for 3 years FFS.

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Here's an idea. Start with Crotty as you know he won't last long before breaking anyway, then instruct him to run head first at Farrell's shoulder.
The ultimate sacrifice.

I think you've just thought up a fresh conspiracy theory for the English rugby media.

@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Gunner said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

I get sick of seeing these bloody columns....

Read something yesterday which talked of "the inexperienced Anton Lienart-Brown"....

He's got 40-ish caps and been in tha ABs for 3 years FFS.

There's been a bit in the press about how relatively inexperienced the current NZ backline is, Bridge, Reece, Goodhue and Mo'unga but yeah, putting ALB in there is something of a stretch. Maybe they're referencing his age. He's quite young to be a 40 cap veteran? Odd though still.

@Catogrande I assume they're ignoring the bench then? Sorry Eddie..."finishers".