RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Attack the strengths is usually the way to go when you work out what the other team will be planning for.

We know that linespeed is still a big part of the England defence and that we have been putting together ways to combat that.
With Ireland we know they would hope to put up a wall to stop our attack so gave them the ball and asked them to be creative. It was our defence that then caused their errors which we attacked off.
With England I think we will hold on to the ball a bit more, suck their back three up to fill holes in the line then plug the corners. Play them at their own game and take away their strength

Yea, winning the territorial battle will be key - England simply do not play any rugby inside their own half, so we need to keep them there and ask them to kick the ball back to us. The Aussies did half of England's job for them on the weekend with their inability / refusal to exit their own 22m after kick offs.

@Jailbreak7 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Chris-B I thought Peyper for our semi as well. Don't want to think about the Final yet.

I'm not sure how happy I'd be with him, TBH. He reffed well in the first Lions test in 2017, but he's also the nonce that didn't card Farrell for one of his blatant shoulder charges (I believe it was on Rodda).

@junior Yeah that's a good point - if you plug it deep, it's not exactly a scary prospect to have their back 3 and/or 10 run it back - which they most likely wouldn't anyway. Watson is the scariest there and while he's great going forward I don't see him as dangerous when well behind the line.

There really is something about the English, isn't there? Absolutely no chance of us getting ambushed when this kind of tosh is being written...

New Zealand will be less profligate; they will also be less tactically gung-ho and possess a far better kicking game. But England, unlike Ireland, are a team on the up, having started to marry physical dynamism with surer judgment and calmer decision-making. Do the All Blacks have prop forwards who offer a greater carrying threat than Sinckler and Mako Vunipola? Do they have a hooker in better form than Jamie George? Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje? If, on the day, the answer to even some of those questions is “no” then England will feel they can, at worst, rattle the All Blacks’ cage.

Kick the ball to the stratosphere for Daly to have loads of pressure on him when he's attempting to catch it.

He'll shit the bed. Tries will come.

And Smith to make sniping runs from the back of the scrum and ruck.

Youngs is fast going forward. Not so much going backwards.

Or just tell them that although they might have decided to win the game, the way they will do it will need to be agreed on in the House of Commons.

@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Kick the ball to the stratosphere for Daly to have loads of pressure on him when he's attempting to catch it.

He'll shit the bed. Tries will come.

Daly got badly exposed on defence vs Aust with poor positional play and a lack of pace.

@Billy-Tell said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Frizzel or PT for the bench??

I’d probably go Frizell

Even before the news of Todd's injury I would have been tempted to play Frizell. While Patty T would provide impact off the bench and some size, at least one of BBBR or Whitelock will play the full 80 mins so having 2 reserve locks is redundant. Barrett could be used at 6 and then lock again.

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

There really is something about the English, isn't there? Absolutely no chance of us getting ambushed when this kind of tosh is being written...

New Zealand will be less profligate; they will also be less tactically gung-ho and possess a far better kicking game. But England, unlike Ireland, are a team on the up, having started to marry physical dynamism with surer judgment and calmer decision-making. Do the All Blacks have prop forwards who offer a greater carrying threat than Sinckler and Mako Vunipola? Do they have a hooker in better form than Jamie George? Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje? If, on the day, the answer to even some of those questions is “no” then England will feel they can, at worst, rattle the All Blacks’ cage.

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And people wonder why the English are the team we love to hate, and beat

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Or just tell them that although they might have decided to win the game, the way they will do it will need to be agreed on in the House of Commons.

That, for me, is the one-line post of the year!

@canefan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

There really is something about the English, isn't there? Absolutely no chance of us getting ambushed when this kind of tosh is being written...

New Zealand will be less profligate; they will also be less tactically gung-ho and possess a far better kicking game. But England, unlike Ireland, are a team on the up, having started to marry physical dynamism with surer judgment and calmer decision-making. Do the All Blacks have prop forwards who offer a greater carrying threat than Sinckler and Mako Vunipola? Do they have a hooker in better form than Jamie George? Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje? If, on the day, the answer to even some of those questions is “no” then England will feel they can, at worst, rattle the All Blacks’ cage.

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And people wonder why the English are the team we love to hate, and beat

Yes and I suppose it's fortunate that in general we do not tend to judge New Zealanders on Stuff.co.nz etc articles.

Sheesh!

@Catogrande dont worry mate you're ok. Exceptional, but ok

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

At 6 I'd play Barrett in the first half and Savea in the second

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I think that's worth upvoting ...

Sam Cane injury free?

The Boks must be stoked that they lost to NZ in the pools stage...Japan then Wales V Ireland and England?

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

@mofitzy_ said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Sam Cane injury free?

Yes.

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...

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It’s a long week to fill with non-sensical irrational content.

Perfect for the Fern.

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...

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Stuart Barnes.

Trolling trolling trolling ...

Taken from Reddit:

England had just 10 minutes and 34 seconds of possession in their #RWC2019 quarter-final against Australia, their lowest amount in a game since Opta have recorded this data (2010)

I admit, sometimes modern rugby just confuses the f*%k out of me.

The way possession and territory stats can flip flop from week to week and not often have any bearing on the result.

I don't know how to begin to analyse the upcoming semifinal when you have a team defying their national sterotype and yet winning so convincingly.
From ESPN stats:

That's interesting though. The clear tactic was to let Oz have the ball then suffocate them.
We have done that tactic in the past as well.
I doubt whether England will do the same against us though. I think they will look to hold on to the ball as much as possible.
Now the big question is whether the players have the maturity/ ability to change up styles from one week to another and not get it wrong. England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

@Rapido

Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

Barnes team about what I’d expect from an English scribe.

For me Lawes every day over Itoje.

@Blackheart Japan were a harder quarter-final than Ireland

Itoje is the Sexton of locks .

@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...

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Stuart Barnes.

Trolling trolling trolling ...

He's not actually trolling - this is honestly what he thinks as an old school Pom.

Wales undefeated 6N champions and he's still treating them like poor cousins.

@Duluth said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Rapido

Impressive tackling stats from their pack (Most of the misses came from the backs, particularly 10/12/13)

Player	Tackles	Missed Tackles
M Vunipola	20	0
George	18	0
Sinckler	10	1
Itoje	15	0
Lawes	15	0
Curry	17	1
Underhill	20	2
B Vunipola	16	0

Also fairly straightforward when the modus operandii of the opposition is one-out running straight at a defender.

The Poms are big, strong lads. They play that style in their Premiership every week. Lapped it up.

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@booboo said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@No-Quarter said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@NTA said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@junior said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

Are Brodie Retallick and Sam Whitelock superior locks to Maro Itoje?

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I wouldn't pick any English players in a combined ABs/England 15.

These combined team things are rubbish. Two teams with entirely different playing styles and the players selected to go with them. Ben Smith is a case in point. Playing England's way you would jump to have Bender at 15. Playing NZs style he gets left out.
England want their props to be ball carriers, we want ours to get to rucks quickly.

etc etc

Easy there fella it was a joke

Just leveraging off your post to comment on the likes of this...

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Stuart Barnes.

Trolling trolling trolling ...

He's not actually trolling - this is honestly what he thinks as an old school Pom.

Starkly illustrated by his thinking that Beauden is now at fullback "because of goal-kicking". Can only hope that the opposing coaches share this complete lack of strategic analysis, but given it's Eddie I doubt it ....

@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

Vs Italy and the no offiside if it's not a ruck game - you know the rule that mysteriously changed a few weeks later

@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

Against Wales where they went in with a kick and chase strategy which was being gobbled up and run back at them. The just kept doing it over and over and copped some deserved shit.

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

@Crucial said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
England have shown, in recent past, a total inability to think during a game and get bogged down in plans that aren't working.

Not disagreeing, but in which games did this happen?

Against Wales where they went in with a kick and chase strategy which was being gobbled up and run back at them. The just kept doing it over and over and copped some deserved shit.

I hope they kick the back to us this weekend

We get Nigel Owens. Great news...I can live with him not being card happy, even though it saved Ireland several times.

I was fascinated to see Owens and Schmidt having a long talk before the game last week (with Schmidt clearly trying to get something across, including gestures about tackling or clean outs). I wondered whether, in any way, that then influenced what he looked for at penalty time.

Hansen didn't bother approaching Owens, although might have said hi.

Hansen and Schmidt had a massive talk too. They look like they are pretty friendly.

@Richie8-7 said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):

We get Nigel Owens. Great news...I can live with him not being card happy, even though it saved Ireland several times.

Certainly better than a French alternative. I just hope he insists on England not slowing everything down again. A fast game will suit us.

Saturday weather wise is looking good again.