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@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21:

there's a bit of pressure on him at a new team i think. there's a bit of drama around his exit, he's had a good set of excuses at the Texans. If he doesn't perform to a very high level at the next place he's gonna cop it.

I disagree. The pressure is on the Texans to replace Watson. That place is a dumpster fire. They traded away DeAndre Hopkins for peanuts.

Watson has done nothing but play at a very high level all 4 seasons he's been in the league at the Texans.

Watson just had his best statistical season - 33 touchdowns, 7 picks, 70% completion. He hasn't had one bad year in the league yet.

Of course any high profile QB that doesn't perform at a high level is going to cop it - but it's the Texans that are looking bad in this stoush - not Watson - he's not exactly known as a diva.

@KiwiMurph fair comment, i would take him in a heartbeat.

my comment was, he's going to get paid, and sort of based on our convo the other day, there is even more pressure on an incoming highly paid QB, than one already in place. Less fan patience as well.

@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@canefan So would I but I think the 49ers will be outbid for his services.

Sadly yes

Seems like the front runners for Watson are the Jets and the Dolphins. Hope he ends up in Miami, they would become Superbowl contenders overnight.

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Seems like the front runners for Watson are the Jets and the Dolphins. Hope he ends up in Miami, they would become Superbowl contenders overnight.

QB swap?

@mariner4life Would be Watson for Tua and Miami's picks (think they've got 4 and 17 this year).

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@mariner4life Would be Watson for Tua and Miami's picks (think they've got 4 and 17 this year).

3 and 18. Given he has a no trade clause he has a decent amount of leverage over where he goes, so Miami's lack of state income tax and the strength of the Dolphins might be important.

Apparently he is really high on Saleh though, so maybe he'll like that for the jets. The jets have 2 and 23 so the Texans get their pick of non TL QBs.

The otherthing about Watson is that the prorated parts of his deal stay with the Texans. So you get a 25 year old QB who is borderline top 5, reliably top 10 with a contract running to 2025 that's at a discount on its real value.

3 first rounders start to look pretty fair when you think about it. Especially if you're the Dolphins or the Jets and you can give up all 3 in the next two drafts. One of the things that really fucked the redskins was not having a first round pick for 3 years. Just couldn't get fresh draft talent.

@Cyclops It's fascinating. Given the importance of QB in the league today, and how good Watson is, teams should be moving heaven and earth to get him. When was the last time a genuine top 5 QB was on the block like this?

Even if you were the Jags, surely you'd think long and hard about putting up the #1 pick. I know they've got Meyer as coach, and are going to take TL, but Watson is a proven superstar.

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@Cyclops It's fascinating. Given the importance of QB in the league today, and how good Watson is, teams should be moving heaven and earth to get him. When was the last time a genuine top 5 QB was on the block like this?

Even if you were the Jags, surely you'd think long and hard about putting up the #1 pick. I know they've got Meyer as coach, and are going to take TL, but Watson is a proven superstar.

Why bother with a prospect who may or may be the second coming when Watson is a bonafide top 3 QB in his prime right now. I would give up TL in a heartbeat

@Dice there's a great one doing the rounds from JJ Watt who reckons one day Rivers was telling off his other linebacker that he was standing in the wrong position for the blitz they were about to run. and he was 100% right

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@Cyclops It's fascinating. Given the importance of QB in the league today, and how good Watson is, teams should be moving heaven and earth to get him. When was the last time a genuine top 5 QB was on the block like this?

Even if you were the Jags, surely you'd think long and hard about putting up the #1 pick. I know they've got Meyer as coach, and are going to take TL, but Watson is a proven superstar.

Yep the they must be thinking about it. Does Watson waive his no trade clause for Jacksonville though? Home market size is less relevant these days, so again being state income tax free will be a big draw.

Is reality if Watson is available for trade there will be about 26 teams that inquire. Even if its just a 'oh you want that much, well good luck' call.

@Cyclops said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Even if its just a 'oh you want that much, well good luck' call.

more like 'oh you want that much, let me go and talk to my GM' call.

QB economics are munted. You have to spend whatever it takes to get even a chance of a good'un

Listened to a podcast today that said Watson might not want to go to a 'rebuilding' team like the Jets or Jags. Which is fair enough, but if he wants to win a ring I can't see there being many viable options for the Texans.

@barbarian who are the "if we had a better QB we are challenger" teams?

Titans?

Tampa?

@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@barbarian who are the "if we had a better QB we are challenger" teams?

Titans?

Tampa?

The Rams. 49ers. Basically anyone who has a great defence and a less than best QB

@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@mariner4life said in NFL Season 2020/21:

@barbarian who are the "if we had a better QB we are challenger" teams?

Titans?

Tampa?

The Rams. 49ers. Basically anyone who has a great defence and a less than best QB

i left the Rams off because that contract isn't going anywhere

Well you could probably add the Steelers, the Saints, the Football Team, the Bears, the Colts. The Giants at a stretch.

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Well you could probably add the Steelers, the Saints, the Football Team, the Bears, the Colts. The Giants at a stretch.

ooohh Steelers. that's good.

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Well you could probably add the Steelers, the Saints, the Football Team, the Bears, the Colts. The Giants at a stretch.

So basically everyone except

Seattle (Wilson)
GB (Rodgers)
Buffalo (Allen)
Arizona (Murray)
Cleveland (Mayfield)
Carr (LV)
Cinci (Burrow)
LA Chargers (Herbert)
Tenessee (Tannehill)
KC (Mahomes)

All the others have varying levels of need, but if he was available they should all try to make a deal

@canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21:

All the others have varying levels of need, but if he was available they should all try to make a deal

ebay!

@barbarian said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Listened to a podcast today that said Watson might not want to go to a 'rebuilding' team like the Jets or Jags. Which is fair enough, but if he wants to win a ring I can't see there being many viable options for the Texans.

Yep. I think the three most likely scenarios are the Texans sorting their shit out and Watson staining, him going to the Dolphins (10-5 record, lots of draft capital), him going to the jets (lots of draft capital, coach he likes). I don't think any other team could match the price those two can offer except for the jags who I think will go for TL.

I still think Watson staying is the most likely by far.

Reports are coming out confirming that Lions have agreed to trade Matt Stafford.

In my opinion this is who 49ers should be targeting but a lot of teams are going to be interested - he's the perfect plug and play QB for a playoff contender missing that high level QB.

@KiwiMurph said in NFL Season 2020/21:

Reports are coming out confirming that Lions have agreed to trade Matt Stafford.

In my opinion this is who 49ers should be targeting but a lot of teams are going to be interested - he's the perfect plug and play QB for a playoff contender missing that high level QB.

He would be intrigueing for the 9ers, assuming there is no way DW is in play. He has held that Lions team on his shoulders for years, and would be a considerable upgrade on the current version of Jimmy G, assuming he has enough juice left

30 fucking years of wasted generational talent by lions management. Barry, then Megatron and now Stafford is going. Hell the first two retired rather than keep playing for the Lions. I'm not a Lions fan by any means, but the waste that the Fords have allowed is criminal. Emmitt wouldn't have come close to Barry if Barry had played two more seasons, and Megatron was out-mossing Moss, even after 8 years

A very good 1st half from Brady and the Bucs with a killer blow at the end.

Plenty of work to do for the Packers.

@Bovidae Green Bay defense getting destroyed on 3rd/4th down.

@KiwiMurph You give Brady protection and time and he will find a receiver.

A terrible missed call for holding leading to the INT as well.

Reminds me a lot of rugby and the knack of scoring just before and just after halftime.

The GB home crowd has been completely taken out of the game.

Pack are back in it. Could be a shootout 4th Q coming up.

But now GB come storming back with two TDs in the 3rd. Epic 4th quarter coming up here.

Defence is dominating in the 4th Q.

The Bucs get to play at home.

Packers should have went for a TD on that 4th down.

@Bovidae That's one of the worst calls you will ever see.

Rodgers legitimately might want out of Green Bay now.

Speaking of Rodgers, he should have kept on running instead of forcing a pass to Adams.

Brady throws 3 INTs and still gets the win.

The Bucs D won that game, super impressive performance. Rodgers will be regretting some things, but for them their leaky secondary in the first half killed them. You can't give Brady that sort of lead and expect to win.

Tjat Tampa safety (whitehead?) Hits like a truck. They'll be hoping he's fir.for the SB

Bills defence very disciplined so far

Chiefs just clicking into gear now. Looks a bit ominous for the Bills.