Great comeback by Team USA this afternoon, although Team Europe still well ahead and only need 4 out of a possible 12 points tomorrow to retake the Ryder Cup.
But the momentum is with the Yanks and all to play for heading into what has been yet again a wonderful spectacle.
@Dodge apparently there are some issues in the team with Patrick Cantalay leading a protest about not being paid...slowest fluffybunny in the game will no doubt get his point across, eventually.
Rory pissed about something
Every now and then, one of the Seppos comes out with the “we should be paid” thing. Two issues here; firstly you don’t HAVE to play, just decline. Secondly, just how much fucking money do you want?
You know what, just fuck off.
@Catogrande bet he asked to paid by the hour...
@Catogrande said in Golf:
Every now and then, one of the Seppos comes out with the “we should be paid” thing. Two issues here; firstly you don’t HAVE to play, just decline. Secondly, just how much fucking money do you want?
You know what, just fuck off.
I notice some of the US players are not wearing caps on the final day. Is this some form of protest, or do they just enjoy playing with the sun in their eyes?
On the subject of pay to play, I guess the counter argument for not getting paid, would be that they should get paid to compete in a very lucrative TV event, the same way as football players or tennis players get paid to play in the WC or Davis Cup (assuming they get paid)
The US made it interesting on singles day. But in the end they gave up far too much ground on the opening day, most of the team played poorly. Interestingly, one of the commentators said many of the Americans had not played competitively in four weeks or more, and questioned how seriously they were taking the Ryder Cup
Re the paying thing, I can understand it to an extent but then you need to factor in where all that TV cash goes. After that there is still the fact that it is an invitational event to play in a team environment in what is an individual sport. You can say “no thanks”. Interestingly thee is a pay to play thing for the Presidents Cup, but who cares about that?
Having said all that and taking into account the LIV issue and his that has shaken up the status quo, I’d say it’s only a matter of time before they’re paid. My guess is that as and when that happens, general interest in the Ryder Cup will wane.
Let’s us also remember that none of these guys are worrying about paying their mortgage at the end of the month.
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I agree. I don't think the fact they earn big money should be a way to justify not paying them, at least to cover costs. Unless the RC is the only invitational team event where individual pros pay for nix. A quick google search suggests Davis Cup players get paid, although at a much lower rate than the players could earn from other sources
@canefan I assume it was originally an amateur competition, that has evolved into picking the best available (although Dechamblowhard would dispute this) which is all pro players.
I couldnt care less if they are paid or not, but I expect given the profile and coverage, someone is making some good coin out of this, so no reason why the players shouldnt get their piece of gold.
Google tells me each US player gets assigned $200K, 100K of which goes to a charity of their choice and the other 100K goes towards PGA nominated charities.
US mounting a comeback in the afternoon matches. Comfortably up in two matches, down 1 in each of the other two with plenty of holes to play. If they want to give themselves any chance of getting close enough to compete tomorrow I think they have to win all 4 matches. Spieth has been ice cold in all his matches so far, and he's continued to be a burden to Thomas. If they had an alternative option I think the US should have played them
You mean DJ or Deschambeau?
@taniwharugby said in Golf:
@Dodge apparently there are some issues in the team with Patrick Cantalay leading a protest about not being paid...slowest fluffybunny in the game will no doubt get his point across, eventually.
Rory pissed about something
Rory is pissed about a lot of things. Getting played by Monahan and not getting that Saudi money. Not a big fan of his whining and virtue signaling but that caddie should not have been anywhere near his line. A nine iron to the shins might have helped him realize his position.
I like Rory less and less as time goes on. He’s a shit spokesman for the PGA. Just comes across as a fucking whiney prick.
US mounting a comeback in the afternoon matches. Comfortably up in two matches, down 1 in each of the other two with plenty of holes to play. If they want to give themselves any chance of getting close enough to compete tomorrow I think they have to win all 4 matches. Spieth has been ice cold in all his matches so far, and he's continued to be a burden to Thomas. If they had an alternative option I think the US should have played them
You mean DJ or Deschambeau?
No. Within the actual squad. But both those guys should have been there if the US were serious about winning
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
In a way that’s the position now, the players and their entourages get well looked after and they’re given money to donate to charities. Someone mentioned a figure of £200k?
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande said in Golf:
@Catogrande I don’t know, I didn’t know they weren’t paid to play until this year, and as somewhat uncomfortable as millionaires not being paid might sound, I think he’s right. Lots of people make a killing from this event, why should the players do it for free?
I don’t necessarily think that the players should do it for free, but at present it is the purest contest in top level golf and players doing it for the team ethic is, I feel, a significant part of that. Moreover, most players are very happy to play for free and in fact seem to enjoy the completely different environment this brings. If that changes and the RC no longer draws the top players, or ceases to be a competitive event, or even that payment becomes an issue for the majority, then maybe changes would need to be made.
Right now it is just the odd person with a gripe about not being paid for something that he can easily just decline.
I agree that any pay should be token, as opposed to representing a financial incentive to qualify for
In a way that’s the position now, the players and their entourages get well looked after and they’re given money to donate to charities. Someone mentioned a figure of £200k?
If that's the case, if you don't want to play for whatever reason, just opt out
I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
@Catogrande I was the same, used to think he was a twat until that series.
@Catogrande said in Golf:
I never really took to Koepka not sure why, but seeing him and a few others on Swing (Netflix), they came across very well and that clip sort of confirms it.
Patrick Reed, not so much.
I’m the opposite. Liked Brooks but didn’t like him on Netflix
@taniwharugby Exactly the same as me. Really wasn't a fan but doesnt appear a bad guy at all
@taniwharugby said in Golf:
Brutal from Koepka
Maybe so. But if you add Dechambeau, Reed, DJ and anyone else from LIV I've forgotten in there, I think the US could have won. Johnson had his captain's picks and could have used them. He picked Spieth, Thomas, Burns, and Fowler along with Koepka and Morikawa. 4 of those guys did fuck all IIRC
@mariner4life said in Golf:
I like Rory less and less as time goes on. He’s a shit spokesman for the PGA. Just comes across as a fucking whiney prick.
Well. I mean. He's Irish
Yeah same island, just not the same Ireland.
WTF do they do to their sportspeople? I've never met a whiney Irishman in person, but BOD, Sexton, McIlroy all come across as whingers.
@taniwharugby said in Golf:
Brutal from Koepka
Maybe so. But if you add Dechambeau, Reed, DJ and anyone else from LIV I've forgotten in there, I think the US could have won. Johnson had his captain's picks and could have used them. He picked Spieth, Thomas, Burns, and Fowler along with Koepka and Morikawa. 4 of those guys did fuck all IIRC
Really? The US team room already had enough issues without adding two cancerous personalities in there (and DJ). Not to mention Reed and DJ have been playing just as poorly as the players you mentioned.
If anyone should feel hard done by it's Keegan Bradley.
And ultimately the captain's picks sucked, but so did everyone on that team (Homa aside). None of those picks featured in the 9&7 loss...
I like Rory. Has the stones to put himself out there, and has been hung out to dry by Jay Monahan and the PGA tour brass.
I'll take the ups and downs of Rory ahead of the bland nothingness brought by Cantlay, Schauffele and Scheffler any day of the week.
1 month later
Rory's just been handed 15mm from the PGA for generating interest.
Yes, all of the above is correct.
I have to say I actually find professional golf quite sickening now. The levels of money are absolutely fucking stupid. Rory's just been handed more money than 99.999% of the worlds population will earn in their entire lifetime as some sort of a bonus for being on twitter.
My last sporting fan goal in life (US Masters) has pretty much so evaporated since LIV. Shit like this, doesn't help.
hypocritical little irish fluffybunny
but but but moi traditions! way to make the ultimate sacrifice there Rory.
The only golfer i have any time for is that guy from Full Swing who doesn't give a shit.
@mariner4life oh for the days when Tiger was nailing it (on, and off the course...)
WTAF, a prize for not playing golf FFS...more so when PGA used him as thier mouthpeice in the battle v LIV, made him unlikeable to many (I love watching him hit a golf ball though)
LIV & PGA need to pull thier heads out thier arses and let them all play fucking golf.
I had no idea there was such a thing - so Tiger has been getting a cool 10 million or so every year since his car crash without actually having to play.
I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
I have no problems with the prize existing
But it's just another nail in the "Rory choosing tradition over money" coffin. Rory chose both, because he can. Good on him, but shut the fuck up.
Disagree. I like him more because he speaks his mind. And the Tour has hung him out to dry.
I like him because he's not afraid to be polarising. Others hate him, that's fine. Golf needs these people, rather than the hundreds of dreary Americans who have as much character as a brown onion.
@barbarian said in Golf:
I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why this payment is made.
The PGA Tour doesn't pay appearance fees. So the only source of income is prize money. And that's great and egalitarian and all that, but it doesn't recognise one simple fact: players like Tiger, Rory, Jordan etc. are the reason people go to the course or turn on their TV.
How did Tiger, Rory, Jordan get to the point that millions of people will come to watch them play. Do you think it was because they were constantly finishing 15th - 25th? Or was it because they were winning, which was generating them millions in prize money, and even more in endorsements?
So Rory might tie with John Q Nobody for 15th place, and walk away with the exact same amount of cash, even though he brought far more to the event than Mr Nobody. Very few other sports work in this way.
Well it's a sporting competition. IF Rory wants to earn more money than John Q nobody, then he should finish ahead of him. How about that!
And then LIV came along and said 'hey we will pay you a contract for what you are actually worth to the game (and then triple it)'. No more uncertainty, just dollars dollars dollars baby.
Exactly. If you are worth 100 mill, LIV will now make you worth 300 mill! That seems totally reasonable and is the main reason why so many people absolutely love LIV!!!
The Tour had to do something to balance that and ensure the top players were compensated better for what they bring to the game. And that's where the PIP comes in. It's about more than social media, it's news coverage, sponsor interest, and a few other things.
So the tour agrees with LIV in that winning is such a small percentage of the point of golf now, that they need to make a prize pool of 100mm just to give to players (all worth > 50mm) in order to encourarge them to use twitter.
I'd much rather the cash go to the players I actually watch than player #115 who I couldn't pick out of a lineup.
So winning means nothing to you in sport, and a stronger distribution of cash to the top names, regardless of how they play, means everything.
I literally have not a single ounce of understanding of how you could come to the conclusion that winning is not the be all and end all in sport.
