Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua

<p>I was talking to a respected ( ex world champ, part time commentator ) Aussie boxing personalty a while ago and he thought from the outside looking in they were trying to rush him as a main event fighter , </p>
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<p>Where his development should be number 1 , and if that works out the rest will fall into place ,</p>
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<p>Speaking of golden boy , I remember this making press a while back, and never heard anymore ,   <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/10287974/Oscar-De-La-Hoya-wants-Joseph-Parker-on-board'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/10287974/Oscar-De-La-Hoya-wants-Joseph-Parker-on-board</a></p>
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<p>I guess if you are a boxer in NZ , its a bit like being a musician in NZ , if you get more successful ,  eventually you have to leave to where the market is </p>

Of course theyre rushing him. They couldnt give tao shits about his well being really. They want big money payouts on their investment now not in 2-3 years.<br><br>
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I would not be surprised if deep down duco suspect the better he gets , the higher the odds they will lose him eventually . <br><br>
So there could be a bit of trying to make what they can when they can out of him.

<p>Lonergan has little credibility in boxing and Higgins stays mostly in the background for Duco.  It's all very well trying to increase JP's profile in Europe and the US but he needs to start fighting there.  None of these top 20 boxers will be interested in fighting in NZ due to the lack of money on the table.</p>
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<p>I would hope that Kevin Barry has a lot of input into Parker's development and future fights and is not just cashing a cheque every month.  Given they both spend most of the year training in Las Vegas it shouldn't be too hard to organise an undercard fight in the US - if they really want that!</p>

<p>Longergan has little credibility in life in general.</p>

<p>We may need a new thread for just boxing maybe as there seems to renewed interest....</p>
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<p>Anyway Anthony Joshua seems like a very intelligent young fighter. </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/big-hitting-british-heavyweight-calls-out-joseph-parker-lets-see-whos-going-to-dominate-the-division'>https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/big-hitting-british-heavyweight-calls-out-joseph-parker-lets-see-whos-going-to-dominate-the-division</a></p>

<p>Its official boxing is still a joke at heavyweight level. Parker is now ranked number 1 contender with WBO yet he has never ever fought anyone in the top 20, Look like next fight after Christchurch will be against Joshua because they will need to fight eachother to decide who the mandatory will be for Fury or Klitchsko.</p>
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<p>Quite unbelievable - For the record GO PARKER! - but genuinely worried this is too much too soon</p>

<p>I'm surprised the Bronze Bomber and the Real King Kong aren't in the convo for a title fight</p>

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<p>Its official boxing is still a joke at heavyweight level. Parker is now ranked number 1 contender with WBO yet he has never ever fought anyone in the top 20, Look like next fight after Christchurch will be against Joshua because they will need to fight eachother to decide who the mandatory will be for Fury or Klitchsko.</p>
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<p>Quite unbelievable - For the record GO PARKER! - but genuinely worried this is too much too soon</p>
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<p>The rankings have always been a mystery and I suspect rigged in the best interests of the sanctioning body,</p>
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<p>Duco have been banging  on about Joshua for some time , </p>
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<p>Joshua mentions Joseph only a few days ago as a good likely opponent , </p>
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<p>WBO promote Joseph up the rankings , </p>
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<p>All a bit of a coincidence ? I dont think so , </p>
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<p>I reckon all 3 parties are interested in making the fight happen </p>

<p>So a sheikh made an offer for Fury to fight Klitschko on a yacht for $120M.  Each of the 120 guests would have paid $1M for a ticket and the fight would not have been broadcast on TV.  :shock:  </p>

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<p>So a sheikh made an offer for Fury to fight Klitschko on a yacht for $120M.  Each of the 120 guests would have paid $1M for a ticket and the fight would not have been broadcast on TV.  :shock:  </p>
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<p>I really do not believe the story for a second. What it does is it creates hype around the future PPV. Heavyweight boxing is a circus through and through. Its not for the purist at all.</p>

<p>That would be awesome though. (For the sheiks)</p>

<p>Yeah rankings by each sanctioning body is manufactured to create what can then be claimed big fights</p>
<p>Joshua fighting JP as ranked say 10 and 15 does not make as much noise and cash as 1 & 2 contenders.</p>

<br><br>joshua just made short work of Martin , stopping him in the second, looked impressive without doing a lot , because he didnt really need to, comfortable win in second gear.

Martin is a bum so difficult to read too much in to this

<p>Yeah you wont win an easier world title in the heavyweight division than that one. Does create some exciting hype for future fights though</p>

<p>The Fury - Klitschko rematch seems to be set for 9 July.</p>

Pretty interesting listening to the post fight chat afterwards ,<br><br>Speaking about possible opponents for Joshua , they rattled off plenty of names , but not a mention of the Joseph Takem winner ,<br><br>Duco are talking it up like its a done deal , somehow Im getting the impression that is more based around hope ,<br><br>Anthony Mundine was a mandatory to Floyd Mayweather for some time , that fight was never going to happen in a million years

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<p>Martin is a bum so difficult to read too much in to this</p>
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<p>That may be so, but no denying Joshua's skill in dispatching him.</p>
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<p>I can't see Klitschko losing to Fury twice.</p>
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<p>So Joshua v Klitschko somewhere down the line for me.</p>

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<p>That may be so, but no denying Joshua's skill in dispatching him.</p>
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<p>I can't see Klitschko losing to Fury twice.</p>
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<p>So Joshua v Klitschko somewhere down the line for me.</p>
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<p>I couldn't see him losing to him once....but the fact is he is getting old so in my opinion faces the age old question that heaps of guys on the verge of being past it face.......</p>

<p>I think Furey has his number</p>
<p>See it being another slow boring fight.</p>
<p>Furey won't be keen on AJ or Haye for awhile prob more keen to fight Wilder as he sloppy suits Furey more</p>

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<p>Martin is a bum so difficult to read too much in to this</p>
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<p>I know bugger all about boxing. But how is Martin a bum? Doesnt he have a very good record?</p>
<p>What is the issue with him? Apart from being smacked by the same 'simple' punch 20 seconds apart?</p>

<p>Wladimir threw that last fight, its about money not legacy and his PPV numbers were dropping like a rock. Smartest play he could make to milk it a few more PPV events. Losing to the mega-mouth Fury. He will clean him up next time earning more respect in the long run also.</p>

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Yep, not sure how he won the IBF title in the 1st place. I think it's more a case of the Joshua camp doing their homework. Martin seemed to lean in with his right jab and leave himself open to the Joshua right hook. I'm sure he's had this before, but maybe Joshua was a bit quicker than he has expecting

Joseph could have had Martin in NZ for the title , <br><br>
The exact same offer was made to duco first , but they couldn't finance it

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<p>Wladimir threw that last fight, its about money not legacy and his PPV numbers were dropping like a rock. Smartest play he could make to milk it a few more PPV events. Losing to the mega-mouth Fury. He will clean him up next time earning more respect in the long run also.</p>
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<p>Good luck proving that unequivocally. They said the same about Liston.....Johnson.....and any number of others.</p>
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<p>Could well be some truth though cos who actually gave Fury any chance at all before the fight ?</p>

<p>The loss has certainly added a lot of interest back into the division. It must have been hard to sell fights against Klitschko for good money after such a long dominance and no great challenger knocking on the door.</p>
<p>Would be a smart business move to ensure a return contest then lose. Even if Fury loses the title back again the fire has been lit and made things more interesting at the next level.</p>

My guess/prediction is that Wlad will regain the titles then retire. Which will make things interesting (if happens).

If he wins back the titles , a fight with Joshua to unify the lot would be a massive money fight ,the biggest heavyweight fight we have seen for some time ,<br><br>I reckon something like that will be on the cards and Joseph will be pushed into the background.

It would be a great match up, but maybe too soon for Joshua. Just a hunch, but I think the Joshua camp would rather rush him into a fight with Fury than Wlad and I don't see Wlad hanging around too long to wait. Hope I'm wrong though.

In other boxing news, Golovkin makes mincemeat of previously unbeaten Wade. Pound for pound I can't think of a heavier puncher at the moment. Hands of concrete.

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<p>In other boxing news, Golovkin makes mincemeat of previously unbeaten Wade. Pound for pound I can't think of a heavier puncher at the moment. Hands of concrete.</p>
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<p>Ive been watching him for a couple years with great interest. Started as a gimmick and is now very, very real. Always been scary but now hes just mental. </p>
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<p>Canelo needs to grow a sack and stop ducking him.</p>

I think he fights Khan pretty soon, hopefully after that he can stop fighting lighter men and get it on!

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<p><b>7:</b> Las Vegas, USA, Amir Khan v Saul Alvarez (WBC middleweight)</p>

<p>There is talk  Canelo and Pacman could fight at junior middleweight , </p>
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<p>Be a massive payday for Canelo compared to a possible  triple G fight and could have something to do with stalls in negotiations for that one , </p>
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<p>Weight is the major stalling point in that match up  , Canelos camp  wants a catch weight , Triple g s camp are saying fight us at true middleweight and they cant come to an agreement. </p>
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<p>But with little happening for G , there are bigger  fights for him  if he moves up to super middleweight to fight the likes of Andre Ward etc. but they are showing little interest in that option , but may be forced to at some stage , if he wants to chase the money. </p>

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<p>There is talk  Canelo and Pacman could fight at junior middleweight , </p>
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<p>Be a massive payday for Canelo compared to a possible  triple G fight and could have something to do with stalls in negotiations for that one , </p>
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<p>Weight is the major stalling point in that match up  , Canelos camp  wants a catch weight , Triple g s camp are saying fight us at true middleweight and they cant come to an agreement. </p>
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<p>But with little happening for G , there are bigger  fights for him  if he moves up to super middleweight to fight the likes of Andre Ward etc. but they are showing little interest in that option , but may be forced to at some stage , if he wants to chase the money. </p>
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<p>This catch weight stuff is bullshit. Canelo has made a niche division for himself.</p>

He's not the first , it's been happening for years , I don't mind so much if you have two fighters from different divisions meeting in the middle to make a fight happen and evening up any advantages.<br><br>
But never for a title , if a belt is on the line , you should be made to fight under the proper weight of that title .<br><br>
Danny green held a cruiser weight title and used to make his challenges fight at s catch weight when defending it , was ridiculous .

<p>Catch weights, waaaay too many different belts, ranking systems that are made up on the fly.</p>
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<p>Boxing sure does make it hard for the marginal fan to stay interested. </p>

<p>Joshua to make his first defence against Dominic Breazeale on 25 June</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36128337'>http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/36128337</a></p>

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<p>Catch weights, waaaay too many different belts, ranking systems that are made up on the fly.</p>
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<p>Boxing sure does make it hard for the marginal fan to stay interested. </p>
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<p>Canelo needs to decide if he is a middleweight or not , if not , let his title go , and go back down , </p>
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<p>He has been at least been given a timeline after his upcoming defense against Amir Khan ( also not a middleweight ) at a catch weight ,</p>
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<p>The problem for triple G , he is a great middleweight , but he is in an era of no other genuine good middleweights , which is why he hasnt fought anyone yet, there is nothing out there for him </p>