Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua

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<p>Klitschko is a very  usual character for this sport , smart , educated ,well spoken ,  qualified doctor , speaks 7 languages , and his brother Vitali an ex champion is now a politician </p>
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<p>somehow just doesnt seem quite right for a heavyweight boxing champion </p>
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<p>it probably helps that not many boxers are good enough to punch him or his brother in the head.</p>

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<p>Surely that's a wind up?</p>
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<p>You'd hope so, his coordination in that video is awful.</p>
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<p>You ever see Freddie Roach work a speedbag?</p>
<p>Even with a degenerative motor function illness he is amazing</p>

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<p>Klitschko is a very  unusual character for this sport , smart , educated ,well spoken ,  qualified doctor , speaks 7 languages , and his brother Vitali an ex champion is now a politician </p>
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<p>somehow just doesnt seem quite right for a heavyweight boxing champion </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34871218'><em>Urbanity and boxing have always made strange bedfellows. </em></a><em><a class="" href="http://www.britannica.com/biography/Gene-Tunney">Gene Tunney,</a></em><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34871218'><em> a heavyweight world champion in the 1920s, was lampooned for his apparent erudition. After losing to Tunney, the great Harry Greb said: "Is it true, as people say, that Gene reads books?" Bad enough losing, but losing to an intellectual? The shame of it.</em></a></p>

Great vid Raz, both come across as respectful but yet eager to knock the other out. Can't see Fury taking this one, Wlad still looks in amazing nick despite being 'old'<br><br>
He'll be too methodical but people forget he has devastating power at times too.

<p>I've never really watched Wlad's fights and had a look on youtube last night. I'm no boxing expert but I have rarely seen anyone with his ability to hit hard from standing so far away. He seems outside of his own reach then leans forward at the same moment as the arm extends and thwack.</p>
<p>As an opponent he must be a mare. Can't get close to him and if you stay away you'll just lose on points anyway.</p>

<p>That's exactly right, klitschko's main weapon is his jab it's absolutely lethal.</p>
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<p>He's knocked many guys out with it.</p>
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<p>In contrast, Fury must have one of the weakest jabs in boxing. The reach advantage mentioned earlier will have no effect as he is unable to throw a jab that would hurt anyone..</p>
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<p>I can see fury getting knocked out in 6. He has to try to get inside but doubt he has the ability or the coordination to do so without getting stung.</p>

Both brothers have that real upright style and huge reach that guys like Tua, Tyson, Frazier etc struggle against.

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<p>I thought so, but I doubt the truth is far from it given videos of his boxing.</p>

<p>This is tangentially related to this match. "Deep thinking" Russian/Eastern European monsters - likes philiosophy jungle retreats to get in touch with his inner man</p>
<p>This is the former World arm wrestling champion I saw from a documentary called Pulling John.</p>
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The body shape of heavyweight boxers has certainly changed ,<br><br>
Joseph Parker stands at about 6 foot 5 and is similar dimensions to Lennox Lewis , that would've been considered huge not so long ago , now it's just average . <br><br>
It makes you wonder how the boxers from the golden era , Ali , Frazier , Norton etc would look standing next to these guys . While we like to think they were the greatest and would destroy the current guys , the reality is they may get monstered , it would be like moving up to another weight division .

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<p>i bet you saw that name, clicked on it, and were really, really disappointed</p>

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The body shape of heavyweight boxers has certainly changed ,<br>
Joseph Parker stands at about 6 foot 5 and is similar dimensions to Lennox Lewis , that would've been considered huge not so long ago , now it's just average . <br>
It makes you wonder how the boxers from the golden era , Ali , Frazier , Norton etc would look standing next to these guys . While we like to think they were the greatest and would destroy the current guys , the reality is they may get monstered , it would be like moving up to another weight division .</p></blockquote>
It's the size of the fight in the dog, not the dog in the fight. I remember Matua Parkinson busting out that cliche as a 95 kg openside about to mark Koula Tukino and Isitolo Maka in a Super match.<br><br>
Personally I reckon the real old school guys, Jim Jeffries...Jack Dempsey.....Joe Louis.....Rocky Marciano would have held their own in any era primarily cos they were just so god damn tough. Blokes who did the real manual labour type jobs all day and then boxed all night. I suppose in one sense that's a bit like saying Pinetree lugging fence posts all day more than made up for today's Rugby players smashing tin in the gym but heavyweight boxing is still about big guys throwing ( and just as, if not more, importantly taking ) punches.<br><br>
I suppose of the list I mentioned Marciano would seriously struggle to get close to Klitchko, Lewis, Ali etc but many historians reckon he was the hardest puncher ever which the likes of Tyson, Tua, Foreman, Shavers etc would seriously dispute.....<br><br>
Where's Red Terror to provide a better analysis than this ?

<p>Tyson is only 5'10. </p>
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<p>In his prime I'd back him to destroy Klitscko</p>

Maybe. Tyson relied on scaring the shit out of guys he faced. When they didn't fear him he lost a huge advantage. Those Klitchko boys might appear a bit dour but they also don't look like they scare too easily.....

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<p>i bet you saw that name, clicked on it, and were really, really disappointed</p>
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<p>Why?</p>
<p>I don't understand.</p>
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<p>Kind of agree,</p>
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<p>But it's also a bit of a myth imo. It was true during the late 90's, but not so much in his younger year that I'm referring to</p>
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<p>Tyson had power, amazing speed of hand and excellent defensive ability..... Mike was outboxing and outjabbing good boxers with a massive reach advantage. It takes exceptional skill to do so.</p>
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<p>Later on in his career, his skills were diminished somewhat, then he did rely on intimidation.  But before his prison stretch whether or not you feared him, he'd find a way to beat you.</p>
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<p>Look at the Razor Ruddock fights, he wasn't scared yet Tyson found a way.</p>
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<p>Although the second Bruno fight and Spinks were 100% won before he even stepped in the ring.</p>

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<p>Tyson is only 5'10. </p>
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<p>In his prime I'd back him to destroy Klitscko</p>
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<p>Easily. Tyson's entire career was fighting taller guys with more reach and a lot of them could actually box.</p>
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<p>Maybe. Tyson relied on scaring the shit out of guys he faced. </p>
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<p>A well deserved reputation.</p>
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<p>Tyson is only 5'10. </p>
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<p>In his prime I'd back him to destroy Klitscko</p>
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<p>He was a machine , </p>
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<p>But he relied on blowing  guys away early , its whether he could get inside him , would that big jab and frame keep him out for those early rounds , </p>
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<p>I would back Klitschko to finish him off if it went to middle rounds </p>

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<p>Fair play</p>

<p>I can't say I saw that coming, but it was a well deserved win.</p>
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<p>Tyson Fury, heavyweight champion of the world,</p>
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<p>well I never.</p>

<p>Karaoke King :music:</p>

Wow!

After confidently and correctly picking via the fern that Shane Cameron wouldn't get past round two vs Tua I've been brought down to earth with a crashing halt. Never saw that one coming in a million years.

Did anyone on TSF come out and back Fury? He just shocked the world

<p>Well that's egg all over my face. Astonishing.</p>

<p>This fight has just been bizarre from the start.  First we had a postponement due to injury, then the controversy over the gloves and canvas, and now the result.  I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.</p>
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<p>You have to admire Fury for backing up his bravado.</p>

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Did anyone on TSF come out and back Fury? He just shocked the world</p></blockquote>
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Not me , but I think it's good for the sport and good for Joseph ( not that he is ready yet ) as the door opens a little more with klitchko career pretty much finished now

<p>heavyweight boxing is so sad</p>

<p>It's surprising but Wlad is getting old. Age had to catch up at some point, I just didn't think it would be this point. I would probably love to see Wilder vs Fury or Fury vs Joshua. Fury is quite choosy about who he fights.</p>

How on earth did one of the judges get 116 to 111? Was a very close fight, but imho Fury didn't do enough to win it.

Wow didn't see that coming. Thought fury had no chance but yeah wlad is aging and his time was due soon.<br><br>
Guess there is a rematch if he wants it?

<p>Fury has a very weird way of boxing, I suspect that put Klitschko off, hard to box when the opponent is all over the place.</p>
<p>Edit: looks like he will take up the rematch option.</p>

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<p>Fury has a very weird way of boxing, I suspect that put Klitschko off, hard to box when the opponent is all over the place.</p>
<p>Edit: looks like he will take up the rematch option.</p>
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<p>Yes, Fury also switched between orthodox and southpaw.</p>
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<p>I didn't even realise the match was live on SS2 this morning.  By all accounts it was a borefest - Fury averaged 7 punches landed per round, Klitschko averaged a little under 4.5 punches landed per round.</p>
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<p>It would be good to see a unification fight with Wilder but boxers tend to avoid eachother.</p>

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<p>I didn't even realise the match was live on SS2 this morning.  <strong>By all accounts it was a borefest </strong>- Fury averaged 7 punches landed per round, Klitschko averaged a little under 4.5 punches landed per round.</p>
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<p>And the boxing fraternity wonder why this MMA lark is becoming more popular.  Whatever happened to stand and deliver?</p>

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="kiwiinmelb" data-cid="544350" data-time="1448443239"><p>Klitschko is a very unusual character for this sport , smart , educated ,well spoken , qualified doctor , speaks 7 languages , and his brother Vitali an ex champion is now a politician <br><br>
somehow just doesnt seem quite right for a heavyweight boxing champion</p></blockquote>
He's also banging Hayden Panettiere.

Have watched the "fight" now.....shithouse absolute shithouse

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He's also banging Hayden Panettiere.</p></blockquote>
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They are engaged and have a kid so you would kinda assume so eh...

Didn't see that coming. Also think Fury will be a flash in the pan, can't really see him becoming hanging on to his belts for long. Oh and what's the betting that David Haye suddenly comes out of retirement. <br><br>
Personally hope Joshua proves to be the real deal - seems like a nice humble kid. Tyson can be funny but he does spout some shit, including his anti-gay stuff. Like a lot of "characters" he seems a bit of a cock.

<p>David Haye fighting Aussie Mark De Mori in jan</p>