Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua

Hooroo10 years ago

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I'm usually anti-streaming, but someone sent me a link so I watched it.
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I'm shocked... SHOCKED....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.......that you didn't pass it on!

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MN510 years ago

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Parker is small. He needs more beef to bang. 
His arms are short and his jab was ineffectual against a fighter with a proper reach. 
His defence is now so questionable you have to wonder if Barry is a capable coach. 
His tank is not good for 6 rounds let alone 12. 
He struggled in close and you could see the size and strenth of Takam was wearing him down too easily. 
Thats the negative out of the way. 
He has a chin. Solid taken some heavy hits. Never looked shaky or confused/spaced. Very good sign. Joshua has a questionable chin. 
He is still too quick for everyone hes come up against. There were a few shots Takam took, reeled back from and before he could think about that shot he was hit my 2 more. 
He is strong. Not so much with the punches but he threw Takam across the ring at one stage. If he can use that in the clinch and smothering guys on the ropes he'd be able to wear guys down more easily without exerting so much energy. 
His off the ropes counter punching was very good. Excellent in some exchanges. 
His heart. He got through his toughest test not because hes a prodigy but because he wanted it more than Takam. It was a war and he won it outright. He was tested in every area and he still won. Fairly. He was the winner, no controversy, he won fair and square. 
The future. 
I saw today that Solomon Haumono is claiming hes fighting JP next. Strange if true. A bit risky IMO. SH is a knock out artist and could seriously fuck up JPs cred if he gets lucky. However SH is 40 and not actually that great of a boxer. Funny though as I reckon this may just be the Aussie media reaching. Trying to get in on the hype. 
Barry should be commended for getting him this far but JP needs a coach that can give him defence. Its been apparent for a while now that hes lacking and open to an over hand left or right. He carries his hands far too low and doesnt tuck his chin in. Fast guys will often carry their hands low but he leaves his chin out there. Not good at all. 
He needs to get away from NZ and fight some guys in the US away from the hype machine here in NZ. Too easy a road fighting at home. I know its about bank and home court advantage and you could argue no other fighters give away that advantage. But i think its the difference in being an also ran and being a real champ. Go out of you comfort zone and win where no one knows you. Box to get better not to just get paid. 
Dont imagine Duco would let that happen unfortunately. Theyll ride this kid into he ground. Cheapen his rep by holding more pressers in burger joints. Ahh im digressing.... 
Its crazy you know, all of this stuff surrounding a 24yo on the verge of super stardom. Lets just hope he gets there. 
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Great post Raz despite a couple of contradictions.
 
He does look a bit short on reach for a tall guy to the naked eye but the interweb confirms both have a reach of 193cm ?

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raznomore10 years ago

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Happy for you to point out the contradictions.. 
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MN510 years ago

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Happy for you to point out the contradictions.. 
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Just re-read it....as you were apart from one thing.....
 
So he's "strong" in the exchanges but needs more power in his punches is that what you're getting at ?

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Hooroo10 years ago

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Raz,
 
Is his speed or power his greatest asset? I just wonder as you mention he needs more beef but I can only assum that the offset will be speed?

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raznomore10 years ago

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Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially. 
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs. 
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MN510 years ago

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Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially. 
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs. 
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They're sometimes mutually exclusive.....Ali hit very very fast but not especially hard compared to other bangers of his era like Foreman/Shavers/Liston. Could the punching ( Parkers ) also be down to technique too ?

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raznomore10 years ago

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As mentioned there were some very amateur looking right hand slaps. 
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kiwiinmelb10 years ago

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I watched a replay , I also wonder about Barry , 
 
After a combo is thrown he just stands there , flat footed , chin up , hands down , 
 
Im no coach , but done a bit of amateur training ,
 
he has no head movement , so surely hands should remain high and a sideways step out of the firing line away from the right hand

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kiwiinmelb10 years ago

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Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later . 
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way .

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Crucial10 years ago

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Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later . 
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way .
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Would make sense before JP can train some more. Brush him aside now, Up your record and $$$ before getting into the big ones.

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kiwiinmelb10 years ago

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Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July 
 
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JK10 years ago

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Hmmm not sure it's the best move but at least it will keep him busy

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antipodean10 years ago

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He'd have harder sparring sessions.

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MN510 years ago

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Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July 
 
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Surely he can put away another ex leaguie who thinks he's a boxer ? ( although SHs record is very good )

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taniwharugby10 years ago

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The real fixture
 
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MN510 years ago

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The real fixture
 
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He's still played less sports than SBW

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taniwharugby10 years ago

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NRL - NFL - Rugby
 
vs
 
NRL - Rugby - Boxing
 
Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?

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MN510 years ago

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kiwiinmelb10 years ago

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Solomon is an ex league player , but does have some boxing pedigree , an amateur background as a kid , 
and his dad held the Australian heavyweight title, 
He is quite technically correct , but Joe should be way too good for him with his power and hand speed
 
Interesting in Australia , its being billed as Solomons chance at a world title , win this and he gets the mandatory spot against Joshua , 
 
which is what Joe is up against now, he doesnt need a banana skin

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Crucial10 years ago

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NRL - NFL - Rugby
 
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NRL - Rugby - Boxing
 
Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?
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I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).
 
So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).
 
I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.
Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.

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MN510 years ago

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I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).
 
So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).
 
I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.
Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.
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You'd have to say Goldie was a better all round "talent" ( not necessarily "athlete" ) than SBW or Hayne based on what he did. A lot of guys are very good at our winter and summer codes ( Kieran Read and Leon MacDonald to mention a couple, Rod Latham played rugby for Canterbury too ) but it's easy to forget that Wilson did all this to the highest level AND was a brilliant basketballer too which he never found time to play......
 
I always wonder where he would have stood in the echelon of Black Caps had he chosen to pursue that....there was a whole lot of decent ODI all rounders at the time so despite the All Blacks being better at what they did than the BCs ever were at that period I suspect he made the right choice.

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kiwiinmelb10 years ago

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Not popular to give him credit but Mundine is one of the better all round athletes I have seen . 
Elite nrl player , played origin , boxing world title , Australian junior hurdles champion , and the Sydney Kings basketball were looking for his signature as a teenager ,

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SammyC10 years ago

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I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.
Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.
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SBW gets "derision" because he changes so often.
 
Once Goldie made the All Blacks he concentrated fully on rugby.
 
isn't it obvious?
 
 
Last post I'll make on that... talking about SBW in this thread is disrespectful to real boxers like Parker

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MN510 years ago

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SBW gets "derision" because he changes so often.
 
Once Goldie made the All Blacks he concentrated fully on rugby.
 
isn't it obvious?
 
 
Last post I'll make on that... talking about SBW in this thread is disrespectful to real boxers like Parker
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Talking about SBW as a top boxer is the equivalent of Joseph Parker concentrating on Rugby and getting as far as a premier team in Auckland.....but no further.......

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Dice10 years ago

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You'd have to say Goldie was a better all round "talent" ( not necessarily "athlete" ) than SBW or Hayne based on what he did. A lot of guys are very good at our winter and summer codes ( Kieran Read and Leon MacDonald to mention a couple, Rod Latham played rugby for Canterbury too ) but it's easy to forget that Wilson did all this to the highest level AND was a brilliant basketballer too which he never found time to play......
 
I always wonder where he would have stood in the echelon of Black Caps had he chosen to pursue that....there was a whole lot of decent ODI all rounders at the time so despite the All Blacks being better at what they did than the BCs ever were at that period I suspect he made the right choice.
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Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.

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MN510 years ago

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Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.
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Really ? I'm sure he made all the respective age grade teams growing up and had a real future if the other two didn't get in the way.

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Crucial10 years ago

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Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.
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I remember the comments coming out when he was young and from learned sources. IIRC he certainly had BB people keeping an eye on his sporting decisions.
Don't think anyone is saying he would have been an NBA recruit but domestic regular.

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MN510 years ago

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I remember the comments coming out when he was young and from learned sources. IIRC he certainly had BB people keeping an eye on his sporting decisions.
Don't think anyone is saying he would have been an NBA recruit but domestic regular.
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Yeah but is that any less an achievement than SBWs boxing ?

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JK10 years ago

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We see Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.

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MN510 years ago

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We saw Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.
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In Rugby he was competing against Jonah, Cully, Umaga, Randle, Reihana, Osborne, Cashmore etc....he did so and had a fine career.
 
In Cricket it would have been Cairns, Harris, Oram, Styris, Nash.....I could be completely wrong but I reckon ousting the likes of those guys would have been tougher despite NZs respective strength in Rugby and Cricket worldwide.......

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taniwharugby10 years ago

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it was MN5 that bought SBW into the thread....

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Dice10 years ago

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Really ? I'm sure he made all the respective age grade teams growing up and had a real future if the other two didn't get in the way.
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Goldie's incredibly humble, so he could've just been talking himself down again. The way he downplays his rugby career, you'd think he was some scrub winger who only made Heartland level.

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Crazy Horse10 years ago

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Do Goldie and his wife have any kids? Can't remember her name, and can't be fucked looking it up, but she was a very gifted sportswoman. Probably ended her netball career too early. Looking forward to see if the genes have been passed on if they have.

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Crazy Horse10 years ago

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We see Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.
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Duh! I guess Goldie does have kids...

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dogmeat10 years ago

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Do Goldie and his wife have any kids? Can't remember her name, and can't be fucked looking it up, but she was a very gifted sportswoman. Probably ended her netball career too early. Looking forward to see if the genes have been passed on if they have.
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 Adine Wilson (nee Harper)
 
Wing attack for Silver Ferns. Captained them for last two years including to gold medal at Comm Games in Melbourne
 
Retired due to pregnancy so yeah, the evidence that Goldie has kids is building

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No Quarter10 years ago

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Talent normally skips a generation so expect his kids kids to be All Blacks/Silver Ferns.

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Crazy Horse10 years ago

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 Adine Wilson (nee Harper)
 
Wing attack for Silver Ferns. Captained them for last two years including to gold medal at Comm Games in Melbourne
 
Retired due to pregnancy so yeah, the evidence that Goldie has kids is building
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Yep definitely worth an investigation now. If only I knew where to start looking for clues. Where's Aucklandwarlord when you need him?

dK10 years ago

Chris B.10 years ago

At primary school, Goldie also won Otago-Southland (and South Island in long jump, I think) titles in the 100 metres, long jump, and shotput!
 
I do recall him making a bit of a dick of himself doing an interview for a sort of "Sunday"-type current affairs show, where he said he didn't want to do any media work and just wanted to play rugby. Came across as very sulky and spoiled. He's certainly grown up from then! :)

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