Happy for you to point out the contradictions..<br><br>
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<p>Happy for you to point out the contradictions..<br><br>
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<p>Just re-read it....as you were apart from one thing.....</p>
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<p>So he's "strong" in the exchanges but needs more power in his punches is that what you're getting at ?</p>
<p>Raz,</p>
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<p>Is his speed or power his greatest asset? I just wonder as you mention he needs more beef but I can only assum that the offset will be speed?</p>
Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially. <br><br>
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs.<br><br>
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<p>Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially.<br><br>
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs.<br><br>
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<p>They're sometimes mutually exclusive.....Ali hit very very fast but not especially hard compared to other bangers of his era like Foreman/Shavers/Liston. Could the punching ( Parkers ) also be down to technique too ?</p>
As mentioned there were some very amateur looking right hand slaps. <br><br>
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<p>I watched a replay , I also wonder about Barry , </p>
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<p>After a combo is thrown he just stands there , flat footed , chin up , hands down , </p>
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<p>Im no coach , but done a bit of amateur training ,</p>
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<p>he has no head movement , so surely hands should remain high and a sideways step out of the firing line away from the right hand </p>
Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later . <br><br>
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way .
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<p>Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later .<br><br>
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way .</p>
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<p>Would make sense before JP can train some more. Brush him aside now, Up your record and $$$ before getting into the big ones.</p>
<p>Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July </p>
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<p>Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July </p>
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<p>Surely he can put away another ex leaguie who thinks he's a boxer ? ( although SHs record is very good )</p>
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<p>The real fixture</p>
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<p>He's still played less sports than SBW</p>
<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>vs</p>
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<p>NRL - Rugby - Boxing</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>vs</p>
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<p>NRL - Rugby - Boxing</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>yes</p>
<p>Solomon is an ex league player , but does have some boxing pedigree , an amateur background as a kid ,<br><br>
and his dad held the Australian heavyweight title,<br><br>
He is quite technically correct , but Joe should be way too good for him with his power and hand speed</p>
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<p>Interesting in Australia , its being billed as Solomons chance at a world title , win this and he gets the mandatory spot against Joshua , </p>
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<p>which is what Joe is up against now, he doesnt need a banana skin </p>
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<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>vs</p>
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<p>NRL - Rugby - Boxing</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).</p>
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<p>So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).</p>
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<p>I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.</p>
<p>Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.</p>
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<p>I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).</p>
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<p>So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).</p>
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<p>I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.</p>
<p>Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.</p>
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<p>You'd have to say Goldie was a better all round "talent" ( not necessarily "athlete" ) than SBW or Hayne based on what he did. A lot of guys are very good at our winter and summer codes ( Kieran Read and Leon MacDonald to mention a couple, Rod Latham played rugby for Canterbury too ) but it's easy to forget that Wilson did all this to the highest level AND was a brilliant basketballer too which he never found time to play......</p>
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<p>I always wonder where he would have stood in the echelon of Black Caps had he chosen to pursue that....there was a whole lot of decent ODI all rounders at the time so despite the All Blacks being better at what they did than the BCs ever were at that period I suspect he made the right choice.</p>
Not popular to give him credit but Mundine is one of the better all round athletes I have seen . <br><br>
Elite nrl player , played origin , boxing world title , Australian junior hurdles champion , and the Sydney Kings basketball were looking for his signature as a teenager ,
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<p>I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.</p>
<p>Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.</p>
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<p>SBW gets "derision" because he changes so often.</p>
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<p>Once Goldie made the All Blacks he concentrated fully on rugby.</p>
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<p>isn't it obvious?</p>
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<p>Last post I'll make on that... talking about SBW in this thread is disrespectful to real boxers like Parker</p>
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<p>SBW gets "derision" because he changes so often.</p>
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<p>Once Goldie made the All Blacks he concentrated fully on rugby.</p>
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<p>isn't it obvious?</p>
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<p>Last post I'll make on that... talking about SBW in this thread is disrespectful to real boxers like Parker</p>
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<p>Talking about SBW as a top boxer is the equivalent of Joseph Parker concentrating on Rugby and getting as far as a premier team in Auckland.....but no further.......</p>
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<p>You'd have to say Goldie was a better all round "talent" ( not necessarily "athlete" ) than SBW or Hayne based on what he did. A lot of guys are very good at our winter and summer codes ( Kieran Read and Leon MacDonald to mention a couple, Rod Latham played rugby for Canterbury too ) but it's easy to forget that Wilson did all this to the highest level AND was a brilliant basketballer too which he never found time to play......</p>
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<p>I always wonder where he would have stood in the echelon of Black Caps had he chosen to pursue that....there was a whole lot of decent ODI all rounders at the time so despite the All Blacks being better at what they did than the BCs ever were at that period I suspect he made the right choice.</p>
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<p>Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.</p>
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<p>Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.</p>
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<p>Really ? I'm sure he made all the respective age grade teams growing up and had a real future if the other two didn't get in the way.</p>
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<p>Pretty sure I heard Goldie say it's a myth that he's good at basketball. He said it's a myth he really likes though.</p>
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<p>I remember the comments coming out when he was young and from learned sources. IIRC he certainly had BB people keeping an eye on his sporting decisions.</p>
<p>Don't think anyone is saying he would have been an NBA recruit but domestic regular.</p>
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<p>I remember the comments coming out when he was young and from learned sources. IIRC he certainly had BB people keeping an eye on his sporting decisions.</p>
<p><strong>Don't think anyone is saying he would have been an NBA recruit but domestic regular.</strong></p>
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<p>Yeah but is that any less an achievement than SBWs boxing ?</p>
<p>We see Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.</p>
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<p>We saw Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.</p>
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<p>In Rugby he was competing against Jonah, Cully, Umaga, Randle, Reihana, Osborne, Cashmore etc....he did so and had a fine career.</p>
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<p>In Cricket it would have been Cairns, Harris, Oram, Styris, Nash.....I could be completely wrong but I reckon ousting the likes of those guys would have been tougher despite NZs respective strength in Rugby and Cricket worldwide.......</p>
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<p>Really ? I'm sure he made all the respective age grade teams growing up and had a real future if the other two didn't get in the way.</p>
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<p>Goldie's incredibly humble, so he could've just been talking himself down again. The way he downplays his rugby career, you'd think he was some scrub winger who only made Heartland level.</p>
<p>Do Goldie and his wife have any kids? Can't remember her name, and can't be fucked looking it up, but she was a very gifted sportswoman. Probably ended her netball career too early. Looking forward to see if the genes have been passed on if they have.</p>
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<p>We see Goldie a lot as my boy plays cricket with his. Will ask about basketball, actually may not seem him until November again. But anyway, I was telling my boy who he is and I said he was a better all round sportsman that SBW. Remember in cricket he could both bat and bowl. Athetic in the field too. True all arounder.</p>
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<p>Duh! I guess Goldie does have kids...</p>
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<p>Do Goldie and his wife have any kids? Can't remember her name, and can't be fucked looking it up, but she was a very gifted sportswoman. Probably ended her netball career too early. Looking forward to see if the genes have been passed on if they have.</p>
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<p> Adine Wilson (nee Harper)</p>
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<p>Wing attack for Silver Ferns. Captained them for last two years including to gold medal at Comm Games in Melbourne</p>
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<p>Retired due to pregnancy so yeah, the evidence that Goldie has kids is building</p>
<p>Talent normally skips a generation so expect his kids kids to be All Blacks/Silver Ferns.</p>
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<p> Adine Wilson (nee Harper)</p>
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<p>Wing attack for Silver Ferns. Captained them for last two years including to gold medal at Comm Games in Melbourne</p>
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<p>Retired due to pregnancy so yeah, the evidence that Goldie has kids is building</p>
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<p>Yep definitely worth an investigation now. If only I knew where to start looking for clues. Where's Aucklandwarlord when you need him?</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>yes</p>
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<p>Ummm, Hayne played for Fiji 7's this weekend in London, so 4 v 4 or 3 v 3</p>
<p>At primary school, Goldie also won Otago-Southland (and South Island in long jump, I think) titles in the 100 metres, long jump, and shotput!</p>
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<p>I do recall him making a bit of a dick of himself doing an interview for a sort of "Sunday"-type current affairs show, where he said he didn't want to do any media work and just wanted to play rugby. Came across as very sulky and spoiled. He's certainly grown up from then! :)</p>
<p>Interesting (to a boxing newbie) that some folks think Joe needs a different coach. The things most of us have listed as work on's were things you could hear Barry telling him during the fight. Keep your hands up, work the body, and something about body position when throwing shots?? </p>
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<p>Guess the test is whether Barry can get Joe doing those things in the ring rather than just talking about them? While SH will pose a different challenge it'll be something to watch for - do we see Joe boxing differently etc...</p>