USA and Canada would probably lose to a top European side shorn of their internationals.
I see value in NZA touring the nth hemisphere clubs. Let’s face it, rugby in the north is leading the way at the moment so there would be a lot of value in getting that exposure for NZ players who have probably only played against NZ and Aus super rugby sides to date…
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
USA and Canada would probably lose to a top European side shorn of their internationals.
I see value in NZA touring the nth hemisphere clubs. Let’s face it, rugby in the north is leading the way at the moment so there would be a lot of value in getting that exposure for NZ players who have probably only played against NZ and Aus super rugby sides to date…
Mate I couldn't agree more about the strength of Clubs sides in Europe, hell I watch games every week, I thinking more of the good of international rugby, ie USA, Canada etc.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
Yeah he has stated his goal is to try and play for The AB’s
He has been in ChCh since 2013
At 26 years old
192 cm
128 Kg he’s big enough
Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
@akan004 said in All Blacks 2022:
Paywalled but it looks like the useless fluffybunnies including Mooar and McLeod will retain their positions till 2023.
Same old Shit under these clowns then.
it's kinda shit we will never know what went on in the review because i would love to hear the questions and answers.
Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
@machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
loooooooooooooooool
deadset how fucking shit have the NZRU become at high performance?
No wonder they were pushing hard for the Silver Lake deal, it'll be worth half as much in 12 months.
@machpants what's the point in having a review? Even that butt covering exercise wastes resources.
New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
If you were one of the assistant coaches and you got a really bad review - coaching a national icon - and you knew by in large you deserved it, wouldn't you resign - rather than hanging in to likely fail at5 the big dance, or for a sacking and cheque?
I am glad the finger got pointed at the players too.
NZ national sports teams aren't as ruthless in replacing assistant coaches compared to overseas sports teams in the US and Europe.
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
If you were one of the assistant coaches and you got a really bad review - coaching a national icon - and you knew by in large you deserved it, wouldn't you resign - rather than hanging in to likely fail at5 the big dance, or for a sacking and cheque?
You would think so, I wonder how much of the subsequent feedback challenging senior players infuenced the decision to keep them on. Perhaps they are hanging on to a narrative that says the players didnt follow the plan ( or plan B ) they gave them.
Not that the public would have any idea if one existed to start with!
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised.
What about McLeod and the bend-but-don't-break-it-breaks-anyway defence?
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses
Fuck, we have a list already, I expect a trained eye like Schmidt would have a longer more detailed one...whether this coaching crew can take criticism and adapt remains to be seen...evidence to date doesn't look likely
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
Who wrote? Pretty on to it methinks.
@higgins said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo It is the text of a paywalled article in the Herald by Liam Napier
Thanks @Higgins
@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
Utterly ludicrous for those morons on the NZRU Board to blame the rest of the coaching staff, but not the head coach ??? the buck stops with the coach.
It's astonishing that over such a short period of time Foster & his coaching staff have basically managed to ruin the reputation of AB rugby... just shows you how vital it is to have a good head coach & coaching staff in place.
Will be a big relief when that clown Foster is finally gone.
the governance is shocking.
Reappointing foster after some home wins.
Reappointing assistants but not announcing it.
FFS, it's a literal clown show right now. We're playing at this, not taking high performance seriously.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
He's certainly not good enough to be a prop for Ireland!
But Robinson said the NZ Rugby board has made the decision at its meeting this week that the bottom line shouldn’t always be put ahead of allowing people throughout the country to see the All Blacks.
Sweet, so I guess some of the other regions, Invercargill, Whangarei, Palmy might see a test in the near future?
That article says that Hamilton also gets an Argentinean test.
The proposed Māori-Ireland game is still a possibility.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
That article says that Hamilton also gets an Argentinean test.
The proposed Māori-Ireland game is still a possibility.
I'll try to make three of those, weekend in Welly with the boys, Tron with my uni boy, and dirty weekend in Auckland with the wife. Bring it on, I only got to one of the four from last year!
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
Surely 4 runs would add up to at least a metre ?
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
Your Comment from 19th Jan 2022, replying to @bobily stats for TH props on AB depth thread,
"Jager looks good, Laulala looks very average, and Ofa's stats show his upside. Mafileo looks like a Lomax that can scrummage."
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
Your Comment from 19th Jan 2022, replying to @bobily stats for TH props on AB depth thread,
"Jager looks good, Laulala looks very average, and Ofa's stats show his upside. Mafileo looks like a Lomax that can scrummage."
Mafileo offers nothing else but the occasional good scrum. Apart from that he goes missing in all other aspects of the game. Lomax is the inform TH, Laulala does nothing at the breakdown and Ofa needs more game time.
Thomas Umaga Jensen needs a serious look if he can stay fit this season.
Nearly 110kg, good footwork, good handling skills.
Unfortunately I can't see this AB coaching team having the guts to cut some of these other midfielders. Perhaps Schmidt might be able to have some influence.
@kiwimurph yea you wonder what it will take for anyone to 'break into' the ABs at present.
We need props to compliment Samisoni, a couple of ball running locks to break up the favoured Whitelock-BBR duo, another loosie to enter the mix, sadly I cant see any 8s that will allow Ardie back to 7 where he is more effective, despite how he plays, he throws out the balance at 8.
Our 9 depth is building, 10 is an issue, then the mid-field, we have centres, but 12 is a massive issue, I think Goodhue could work well there if he is played there consistently, but TUJ certainly looks a natural there.
@taniwharugby in the squads, there hasn't been anyone clearly missing out. They've selected as well as they could generally, it's the tactics and 23 being put out there that have us scratching heads
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwimurph yea you wonder what it will take for anyone to 'break into' the ABs at present.
We need props to compliment Samisoni, a couple of ball running locks to break up the favoured Whitelock-BBR duo, another loosie to enter the mix, sadly I cant see any 8s that will allow Ardie back to 7 where he is more effective, despite how he plays, he throws out the balance at 8.
Our 9 depth is building, 10 is an issue, then the mid-field, we have centres, but 12 is a massive issue, I think Goodhue could work well there if he is played there consistently, but TUJ certainly looks a natural there.
Ardie doesn't throw the balance out, it just requires a different balance to that you are imagining.
What's wrong with a tight 6?
@crucial well he throws it out because we dont really have a tight 6, actually we probably do, but none of the Super teams seem to play them that way, meaning we pick a loose 6 and 2 x 6.5s
Physically, Akira is the best to play tighter, but because he is so athletic, the temptation not to run him wide is too much I guess.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwimurph yea you wonder what it will take for anyone to 'break into' the ABs at present.
We need props to compliment Samisoni, a couple of ball running locks to break up the favoured Whitelock-BBR duo, another loosie to enter the mix, sadly I cant see any 8s that will allow Ardie back to 7 where he is more effective, despite how he plays, he throws out the balance at 8.
Our 9 depth is building, 10 is an issue, then the mid-field, we have centres, but 12 is a massive issue, I think Goodhue could work well there if he is played there consistently, but TUJ certainly looks a natural there.
Funny. I'm coming around to the Ardie at 8 thing. Especially how he is playing this year.