All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Ennor joining the team is the most alarming bit of news.

For Ireland that is…

Would love to see Jordie given a shot at 2nd 5 at some stage.

I suspect QT and Ioane with either LF or RTS on the bench. Although if Reece is not starting (he should be), he should be on the bench. Jordie covering midfield.

@Nevorian bro, your inner nervous nelly is getting early to the party aye….

Keep the faith and all that. We still have a very good core that look unaffected (at this stage). My only concern is @Tim prospective team. Too many Blues

@1kiwi said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Also word is that George Bower, Quinn Tupaea, & Will Jordan all currently have symptoms...

Gee, this is an absolute clusterfuck.

Both Tupaea and Bower have been in images on AB social media during training earlier today.

Ennor has a shit season and he gets called into the team???? What the fuck Foster??? Nankivell was fantastic and Ennor gets the call. Just confirms that Foster is a moron.

@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Good point from Whitelock. The team (and leaders) take over for the latter part of the test week anyway. The coaches are just there as sounding boards.

Talks like a captain too

Is it just me or does he look about 50 nowadays.

All four Whitelock brothers started shaving at Kindergarden apparently

@number9 I'm no Ennor fan myself especially after his outing vs Italy, with that said Nankivell has apparently been sick lately hence why he's not even in the 23 for the Maori

@number9 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Ennor has a shit season and he gets called into the team???? What the fuck Foster??? Nankivell was fantastic and Ennor gets the call. Just confirms that Foster is a moron.

He can't have been called in because he is familiar with the game plan, cos apparently foster had a new one to deal with aggressive rush defences. Something which especially effects our midfield....

@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

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You know you're getting old when AB Coaches look young.

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Wouldn't be funny if Bridge was called up as cover and came on to drop a high kick or fail to beat a man.

Stop it.

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

Was pretty good. I just have little trust because of the historic selections and performance.

@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

Was pretty good. I just have little trust because of the historic selections and performance.

A discussion for another thread but we have really veered into 'say it enough times and it's true' territory with the Foster period. It taints all genuine discussion and criticism.
If I was the lone selector my squad wouldn't be much different and I can assure you that it would be wrong.

So far there's no new news around player availability which is hopefully a good thing.

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

Was pretty good. I just have little trust because of the historic selections and performance.

A discussion for another thread but we have really veered into 'say it enough times and it's true' territory with the Foster period. It taints all genuine discussion and criticism.
If I was the lone selector my squad wouldn't be much different and I can assure you that it would be wrong.

I carry my grudge back to his involvement with Hansen and some of the selections back then. Rational is not the answer @Crucial , embrace the bitterness

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

yeah, weren't too many surprises for e in the squad....im just concerned week to week we're going to see all the same names and the new blood wont get a proper run

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

The comment I responded to said squad selection.

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@JK said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Bit of a no-win situation for Foz.

Either ABs lose or they win without requiring him.

Or they loose without him and we get the loss blamed on covid etc rather than his shit coaching and squad selection

Genuine question here. A couple of contentious decisions aside (well Karl T really) what is the squad selection issue? Apart from keyboard selectors having their own favourite players I thought the squad was pretty much what most people would pick.

The larger All Black squad, or the best 23/ XV for the game?

The comment I responded to said squad selection.

Selection has been okay..........the ways the ABs have played, including the first ever loss to Argentina, not so much.

People have fuck all confidence in him because he has won fuck all has a head coach and he was preferred to a clearly more talented coach (Razor).

If the ABs start playing well, I'll change my mind.

Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

Now it's getting serious!

Crusaders first five-eighth Richie Mo'unga was also absent from Tuesday training with a tummy bug. He may recover in time but, if not, Blues playmaker Stephen Perofeta could be called onto the bench to make his test debut.

On the plus side - the stuff article says Jordan was one of only three ABs who hadn't already had covid - and they're taking extra precautions with the other two - so hopefully we're not going to lose a whole wave of players.

I'd much rather see Leicester on the bench than Ennor.

The players usually share a room too, so hopefully those already confirmed as positive are/were roommates.

if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

if R Ioane goes down we are fucked. Proper fucked.

Unless there is this amazing new attacking pattern to unlock the ability of the lessor skilled backline members.

That was announced this year, the new way to break open rush defences. Surely it will not be try to fling it wide really fast still? I mean hasn't worked since 2017

@mariner4life just made a tricky series opener, more spicy...

@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

Now it's getting serious!

Thought he'd be able to outpace it. Disappointed.

Have Waikato been asked to urgently arrange a match against a neighbour so that DMac can run on for 10 minutes?
Surely 'special circumstances' apply when your squad is decimated.

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Have Waikato been asked to urgently arrange a match against a neighbour so that DMac can run on for 10 minutes?
Surely 'special circumstances' apply when your squad is decimated.

Got both tens, and it is not even decimated in the traditional sense, yet.

@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

Will Jordan gone with covid!!!

Now it's getting serious!

Thought he'd be able to outpace it. Disappointed.

Longer than everyone but 2 in the squad. AMazing how fat fozzie managed it for so long, just behind Jordan!

@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

1 Ross
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Christie
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 RTS
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Perofeta

16 Taukei'aho
17 Tu'inukuafe
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Barrett
20 Papalii
21 Fakatava
22 Mo'unga
23 Fainga'anuku

This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

1 Ross
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Christie
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 RTS
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Perofeta

16 Taukei'aho
17 Tu'inukuafe
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Barrett
20 Papalii
21 Fakatava
22 Mo'unga
23 Fainga'anuku

This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

Can’t do that, would break the rule that if you have a ‘ in your name you gotta be on the bench

@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

1 Ross
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Christie
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 RTS
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Perofeta

16 Taukei'aho
17 Tu'inukuafe
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Barrett
20 Papalii
21 Fakatava
22 Mo'unga
23 Fainga'anuku

This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

Can’t do that, would break the rule that if you have a ‘ in your name you gotta be on the bench

Scott Bar'ret?

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

1 Ross
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Christie
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 RTS
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Perofeta

16 Taukei'aho
17 Tu'inukuafe
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Barrett
20 Papalii
21 Fakatava
22 Mo'unga
23 Fainga'anuku

This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

Can’t do that, would break the rule that if you have a ‘ in your name you gotta be on the bench

Scott Bar'ret?

The ' stands for card (colour dependant on the occasion).

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

@Duluth If all the mentioned players are out then you might see something like this:

1 Ross
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Cane
8 Savea
9 Christie
10 Barrett
11 Clarke
12 RTS
13 Ioane
14 Reece
15 Perofeta

16 Taukei'aho
17 Tu'inukuafe
18 Tu'ungafasi
19 Barrett
20 Papalii
21 Fakatava
22 Mo'unga
23 Fainga'anuku

This lineup starting to look very close. I would swap the hookers around starting/bench altough it's still possible Bower is there over Ross.
Would loosehead/hooker combos be the way to go?

Can’t do that, would break the rule that if you have a ‘ in your name you gotta be on the bench

Scott Bar'ret?

Note I didn’t say you have to have one, just if you do you’re bench warming. RTS is on thin ice with his -

All these players going down with COVID

When did Caleb Clarke last play a game?

I guess he played between getting red carded and getting injured?

@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:

When did Caleb Clarke last play a game?

I guess he played between getting red carded and getting injured?

Brumbies 2nd last regular season game. Blew his hamstring out in the second half.