@Crazy-Horse Depth at No 10 is what we really recquire at present. Wonder if there is any correlation between how our depth was when the Juniour All Blacks last played.
Numia and Aumua are not doing their chances any harm with their recent form. Likewise TJ and Morgan. And Delany although I don't think he will make it. Like Morgan.
Lakai is maybe a bit young still
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks XV:
For the benefit of NZ rugby, Perofeta has to go as the primary 10. We need to find out if he is up to the job.
Agree. McKenzie thankfully is showing what he's capable of for Waikato. But Perofeta needs time at first if he is to be considered a serious replacement option for the top side
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
Numia and Aumua are not doing their chances any harm with their recent form.
Aumua might be playing his into the full EOYT squad
Definitely a better option than Taylor
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
Agree. But surely the Wellington coaches can stop him doing this. He doesn't seem to be a dirty player, just careless
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
So it's nothing to do with Aumua, it's you
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
So it's nothing to do with Aumua, it's you
I will be watching the ABs.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
So it's nothing to do with Aumua, it's you
I will be watching the ABs.
Can you miss the next game, please? I'm going to that one
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
So it's nothing to do with Aumua, it's you
I will be watching the ABs.
Can you miss the next game, please? I'm going to that one
Aumua won't be.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
I see his lineout throwing as good now. Not 100% but close enough. A few are lost but overall good enough for me now.
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Winger said in All Blacks XV:
@Bones said in All Blacks XV:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks XV:
@Duluth If he doesn't keep planting his shoulder in opponent's faces.
And can bloody learn to throw. Get sick of seeing Welly get a penalty and kick to touch, only to lose the lineout.
His throwing has been good recently.
I think I turned the rugby on for the shield match and it was a lineout immediately. We lost it.
So it's nothing to do with Aumua, it's you
I will be watching the ABs.
Can you miss the next game, please? I'm going to that one
Aumua won't be.
it depends how far he can throw...this is not a serious comment but I do hope his throwing has improved...at least past the Taylor standard...
@nostrildamus it's improved, but he's not a patch on ST/DC in terms of actually being reliable. While he might get most throws, I'd still be anxious watching him throw.
Yeh, even though the ABs have been a bit shit for much of this year, they win another Rugby Championship.
@cgrant said in All Blacks XV:
What about Levi Aumua ? He is on fire in the NPC. Or with the All Blacks ? His combo with Jordie Barrett would be fun to watch.
Someone reckoned a few weeks ago that the ABs were looking at him.
He's going great guns. Lost some weight I think and looking fitter and faster.
Test rugby is a massive step up from NPC though, so this AB XV would make more sense.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:
Someone reckoned a few weeks ago that the ABs were looking at him.
A TSFer was quoting a commentator a few weeks ago. I think they mis heard. Pretty sure the commentator was talking about Nankivell
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:
Someone reckoned a few weeks ago that the ABs were looking at him.
A TSFer was quoting a commentator a few weeks ago. I think they mis heard. Pretty sure the commentator was talking about Nankivell
That was me. Nankivell would make more sense. Might have to watch the replay to see if I misheard.
If it’s the same comment, the commentator was talking about both centres. Then said the ABs were interested in ‘him’ and that he narrowly missed out on the first squad of the year. It was confusing but I think the ‘him’ was Nankivell
@Duluth said in All Blacks XV:
If it’s the same comment, the commentator was talking about both centres. Then said the ABs were interested in ‘him’ and that he narrowly missed out on the first squad of the year. It was confusing but I think the ‘him’ was Nankivell
If I can work out what game it was I will watch the replay. It should still be on Stan.
Edit: It was Ta$man V Taranaki
ALB is due back, so hard to see a fresh midfielder making the EOYT.
Nankivell and Aumua should both be in contention for this XV. Big Levi has been a revelation in this NPC.
Alex is a glue guy. You could slot him in the ABs and he'd be Ryan Crotty-lite. Wouldn't let you down, but wouldn't offer enough threat IMO.
NZR haven't even officially named the coaching staff yet have they?
I hope they decide to select a younger player in all positions to develop along with more experienced players. It would be a missed opportunity otherwise.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 born in NZ...playing NPC and super rugby in NZ...I'm not saying pick him, but there is zero reason not to if he is good enough
Nope there is an agreement that NZR won't pick NZ qual player's from MP. He'd have to leave for another franchise, MP s effectively not an NZ SR franchise, it just plays home games in NZ
@Machpants Has he signed for MP for 2023 and is he a serious candidate for All Black XV selection?
@SBW1 said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants Has he signed for MP for 2023 and is he a serious candidate for All Black XV selection?
He’s contracted to MP in 2023
So is the AB XV officially named as our second team? Be a bit disingenuous but if not, Aumua could still be selected.
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks XV:
@SBW1 born in NZ...playing NPC and super rugby in NZ...I'm not saying pick him, but there is zero reason not to if he is good enough
Nope there is an agreement that NZR won't pick NZ qual player's from MP. He'd have to leave for another franchise, MP s effectively not an NZ SR franchise, it just plays home games in NZ
Really, I thought the opposite was true (no impact on NZ eligibility) to encourage some younger guys to turn out for MP to strengthen them?
@Nepia Nope, it has been reported that there is an agreement not to pick ABs/Wallabies eligible players from MP. Obviously, it only applies to players who are actually eligible to play for the Pacific Islands, not players who are still in their stand-down period of 3 years if they are already NZ/OZ capped and want to change country, or players who can not qualify for the Islands, because they have no (grand)parents born in the Islands and can't meet the residency requirement either (like McClutchie).
So, in the case of Levi Aumua, it would be against the agreement to name him in the All Blacks XV, because he's under contract with MP for 2023.
By the way, it has also been reported that MP can sign up to 20% of players that are not eligible for the Islands, but despite that, there was some opposition when they signed McClutchie, because he's not Island eligible.
I'd love to know what is actually in players' contracts. Do they have to sign a clause in which they declare for their country of birth/heritage - if that's one of the PIs - for the duration of their contract? Or do they have to agree to a clause not to accept an invitation from the ABs for the duration of their contract (= not the same thing)? Or is this just an agreement between NZR, RA and the PI Unions?
@Bones The situation is a bit ambiguous. NZR has stated that the ABs XV are our "next senior XV" team like the Junior ABs were in the past, but - unlike the Junior ABs - has not designated it as such under the World Rugby Regulations (which would mean that players are captured by playing for this team). To the contrary, NZR has said multiple times that players will not be captured by the ABs XV. Legally, only the official designation under WR Regs is relevant.