@gt12 said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:
I wonder whether the squad of 36 has any room for an apprentice?
Is there anyone that undeniably ‘will be an AB’ that is also too young/inexperienced for the ABXV?
George Bell will be an AB. Put your house on it.
Just in case, I like my hats with BBQ sauce….
Foster has already said that this XV side will be a reserve squad for the WC instead of a development squad this close to the WC. Therefore guys like Perenara/Weber would be favoured over guys like Roigard/Hotham I would imagine.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:
@gt12 said in All Blacks XV:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks XV:
I wonder whether the squad of 36 has any room for an apprentice?
Is there anyone that undeniably ‘will be an AB’ that is also too young/inexperienced for the ABXV?
George Bell will be an AB. Put your house on it.
Just in case, I like my hats with BBQ sauce….
Guaranteed like how when people saw DC and went he’ll be an AB or when those blokes on the Fern watched the U20s and guaranteed Robbie Robinson was going to be a long term AB 10 instead of AC?
@Canes4life said in All Blacks XV:
Foster has already said that this XV side will be a reserve squad for the WC instead of a development squad this close to the WC. Therefore guys like Perenara/Weber would be favoured over guys like Roigard/Hotham I would imagine.
Given there are going to be new players, I think it will serve both purposes.
Halfback, 1st 5 and lock will be particularly interesting because you have Weber, TJP, DMac, Tuipoluto all in the mix.
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
DMac 
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
DMac
JB has one good game at 12 and the Fern goes mad. 
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
DMac
JB has one good game at 12 and the Fern goes mad.
To be fair while I agreup to a point, he actually had a couple of good games at 12, when he moved there after QT's injury, I thought he played bloody well, especially as wouldn't of had much time there in training.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
DMac
JB has one good game at 12 and the Fern goes mad.
To be fair while I agreup to a point, he actually had a couple of good games at 12, when he moved there after QT's injury, I thought he played bloody well, especially as wouldn't of had much time there in training.
Um, I think you missed the post I was replying to - I’m making a joke about players out of position, not JBs performance at 12.
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
@Nepia said in All Blacks XV:
@Machpants said in All Blacks XV:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks XV:
They can't just take 2 halfbacks and hookers unless they are guaranteed to use the ABs if injury strikes in specialist positions. That won't work for the Baabaas game if the ABs are in Scotland at the same time. Experience plus some development would the way to go.
DMac
JB has one good game at 12 and the Fern goes mad.
To be fair while I agreup to a point, he actually had a couple of good games at 12, when he moved there after QT's injury, I thought he played bloody well, especially as wouldn't of had much time there in training.
Um, I think you missed the post I was replying to - I’m making a joke about players out of position, not JBs performance at 12.
The Fern seems to be more Fern references these days than discussions about players (ok, I'll head over to the GOM thread)...
It would so refreshing to see the outstanding and deserved fringe players from NPC and SR we all want - get an AB XV call-up. Just to see a different mix running around and taking the field in the NH would be excellent.
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks XV:
It would so refreshing to see the outstanding and deserved fringe players from NPC and SR we all want - get an AB XV call-up. Just to see a different mix running around and taking the field in the NH would be excellent.
It's a tricky one eh? I'm not convinced that the selectors will get things 'right' with this team, balancing the need for a winning team with understudies for the ABs and opportunities for 'bubbling under' with reward for current performers.
Given that it is rare that players get selected on NPC form and the timing here means that they are in between Super seasons I think we are going to get a muddled bunch of 'all of the above'
Do you look into the past and keep Weber/TJP interested or bring on someone like Roigard who hasn't been able to show much at Super level? Do you start them young with some of the tyro locks around or look to the warhorses that are good but not good enough to threaten the incumbents?
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
There was probably a Fern meltdown going on about both Ralph and FABSH being selected. Such strikepower 
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.
...and Scott Hamilton.
@SouthernMann I herd 4pm same time as abs were announced
@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.
Add Ennor to that logic.
Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.
Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.
@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.
Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?
It’s a bit unfair having two guys playing centre too…..
@MN5 said in All Blacks XV:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
Just a side piece here as I was cleaning out some books and stuff the other day and came across this programme from the 2005 JABs v Oz A game.
Interesting set of players and coaches. Can't remember the circumstances for all the players but it looks like the selectors had it mostly right.
No wonder Foster loved Bridge for so long, Ralph was the blueprint.
It’s a bit unfair having two guys playing centre too…..
Not when one is Ben Atiga.
@MN5 said in All Blacks XV:
Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?
Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.
The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.
Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.
Squad:
John Afoa – Auckland
Sosene Anesi – Waikato
Ben Atiga – Auckland
Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
Josh Blackie – Otago
Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
Jimmy Cowan – Southland
Clarke Dermody – Southland
Steve Devine – Auckland
Stephen Donald – Waikato
Nick Evans – Otago
Corey Flynn – Canterbury
Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
David Hill – Waikato
Carl Hoeft – Otago
Marty Holah – Waikato
Andrew Hore – Taranaki
Jerome Kaino – Auckland
Ross Kennedy – Wellington
Casey Laulala – Canterbury
Chris Masoe – Taranaki
Luke McAlister - North Harbour
Craig Newby - North Harbour
Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
Piri Weepu – Wellington
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@MN5 said in All Blacks XV:
Misprint at 14 ? Smokin Joe was well and truly the AB incumbent then wasn’t he or did Howlett, Sivi and my least favourite Gear brother have the inside running for awhile ?
Waikato No 8 Steven Bates will captain an extended Junior All Blacks squad of 29 named today for a three-match tour of Australia later this month.
The squad includes Bates' Waikato teammate Marty Holah, one of the unluckiest to miss All Blacks selection after his storming game for New Zealand Maori against the Lions last night.
Holah was one of 18 recent All Blacks included -- notably wing Joe Rokocoko who lost out to Sitiveni Sivivatu in the All Blacks squad.
Squad:
John Afoa – Auckland
Sosene Anesi – Waikato
Ben Atiga – Auckland
Steve Bates – Waikato (captain)
Josh Blackie – Otago
Ben Castle – Bay of Plenty
Jimmy Cowan – Southland
Clarke Dermody – Southland
Steve Devine – Auckland
Stephen Donald – Waikato
Nick Evans – Otago
Corey Flynn – Canterbury
Scott Hamilton – Canterbury
David Hill – Waikato
Carl Hoeft – Otago
Marty Holah – Waikato
Andrew Hore – Taranaki
Jerome Kaino – Auckland
Ross Kennedy – Wellington
Casey Laulala – Canterbury
Chris Masoe – Taranaki
Luke McAlister - North Harbour
Craig Newby - North Harbour
Kevin O'Neill – Canterbury
Caleb Ralph – Canterbury
Joe Rokocoko – Auckland
Saimone Taumoepeau – Auckland
Bernie Upton - Bay of Plenty
Piri Weepu – Wellington
Right. Had completely forgotten about that. Henry didn’t think the NZ public could have possibly tolerated two Fijians on the wing.
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.
Yep and he indicated that it will be different ones for different games. So could be 4 that drop. I see maybe Sotutu as one and maybe LF on the wing?
Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
Muliaina
That was incredible depth.
Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.
@Tim said in All Blacks XV:
Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
MuliainaThat was incredible depth.
Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.
@Tim said in All Blacks XV:
Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
MuliainaThat was incredible depth.
Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.
That’s after he’d jettisoned Caleb too.
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks XV:
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
By my count only Upton, Kennedy and Blackie that weren’t ABs or went on to be ABs.
Which is rough cos they all lost out to inferior players at various times ( which I guess you could say about lots of NZ players )
@Tim said in All Blacks XV:
Howlett
Rokocoko
Sivivatu
Gear
MuliainaThat was incredible depth.
Henry was pretty ruthless, especially in his first four years.
Add to them, there were a host of others that started on the wing during the Henry era
Kahui
Jane
SBW
Dagg
Guildford
Toeava
Hosea
Hamilton
Wulf
Tuitavake
Masaga
Found this 2009 Junior ABs team
15 Israel Dagg
14 Rene Ranger
13 Anthony Tuitavake
12 Tamati Ellison (c)
11 Hosea Gear
10 Colin Slade
9 Chris Smylie
8 Victor Vito
7 George Whitelock
6 Jason Eaton
5 Tom Donnelly
4 Jeremy Thrush
3 Ben Franks
2 Aled de Malmanche
1 Jacob Ellison
16 John Schwalger
17 Hika Elliot
18 Craig Clarke
19 Alando Soakai
20 Sean Romans
21 Stephen Brett
22 Ryan Crotty
@ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@ACT-Crusader not quite as prophetic, that one.
Other players that I could find that were in that squad:
Robbie Fruean, Sione Lauaki, James McGougan, Ged Robinson, Karl Lowe
Luke MacAllister was originally named in this squad but was moved to the ABs when Kahui was ruled out injured (surprise surprise…)
@Crucial said in All Blacks XV:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks XV:
Anyway we know that 2 have been named in DMac and Angus Ta'avao (if he feels ok).
Interesting to hear Fozzie saying a couple of ABs will drop back and get some game time with them.Vaa'i and RTS the likely ones there. Possibly LF as well.
Different ones for different games - all of those three, but I can also see any or all of Newell, Papalií, Sotutu, Fakatava,, Perofeta, Ennor, ALB and Reece getting a run for the 2nd XV.
