All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@booboo said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants ive 100% seen a card for "deliberate knock down/on"...and it it wasn't even down, NPC game a couple of years ago, the Otago player reaches and pops the ball up...flys well out of his reach...runs and dives to regather but misses, yellow card, didn't have realistic chance of successfully intercepting

Just noting, as above, "down" is not illegal. Forward/on ... yes.

Become a thing because of wrong words in commentary.

I think some at least use down as I did…only becomes a problem when it hits the ground or someone else, you can knock the ball forward…and regather it with no issue ‍️

True but that's not a knock on.

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@booboo I have it on good authority that my post was a wind up.

I would like to see the same starting lineup, assuming the same outs are out.

Given they packed PGS at no8, I would hope they give Sotutu a go off the bench instead.

I did get that ...

... assuming for half a second it's true...

Maybe I should have said

... assuming for half a second it could come true...

Sillier things have happened

@Derm-McCrum said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

I'm going for NZ by 40+ after that shitehawkery last weekend.
Players going down like ninepins. Flying add-in players too late.
It's a shit-show from start to finish.
If Ireland manage to win a match from here, I promise never to visit NZ.

I can see you are hurting but Ireland were in it for large parts of the game and the 14 point turnaround by Reece's intercept/sexton injury really changed the flow of the game. The first Irish try was pure sex and they should have scored several more but were held up, knock ons etc.

Ireland had more possession and territory; they just need to be smarter with less errors and they can compete with the AB's. We will need to be on our game to win by that margin again.

@NTA said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Bovidae said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

If SB is cited and found guilty there will have to be at least one change to the starting XV.

Lol nope. He's fine. What's a little head contact?

What head contact?

@Derm-McCrum said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

I'm going for NZ by 40+ after that shitehawkery last weekend.
Players going down like ninepins. Flying add-in players too late.
It's a shit-show from start to finish.
If Ireland manage to win a match from here, I promise never to visit NZ.

Yeah held up over the line FIVE times, means the score certainly wasn’t indicative. Add in the mentioned intercept, plus Beaudies one too, I think the game will be close as, last time it was a DC drop goal, and the thrid will be the smashing.

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Dan54 in that situation, it wasnt like a split second decision that he mis-timed and accidentally collected the guys head like so many of the cards we have seen this year...he was in an off side position, both his height and where he was attacking, he was always going to be hitting high on the opposition

Risk vs reward, which in that case, risk far outweighed the reward...but, he got lucky, lucky the Irish player ducked his head when he did, meaning nothing came of it.

I like him as a player, think he brings alot to the table, but he has cost us before, and it doesnt appear he has learnt a great deal, there is a fine line between controlled aggression and stupidity, he seems to be treading with a wide stance.

I hope he doesnt do it again, or worse still, cost us again.

I'm not sure if there is much of a duck, it just looks like Scott's contact makes his head fold in.

I think there is some head contact before hitting the shoulder, but I think the most dangerous part is how it ends up being like a crusher tackle. You can see Scott's weight on top of O'Mahony's head/neck which jams his head in. Not surprised when O'Mahony gets up he clutches the back of his neck a couple of times.

Add in the no arms, offside and coming from the side, and it's just all round silly.

Far out I'm glad we control World Rugby as that deserves a citing

@Dice said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Dan54 in that situation, it wasnt like a split second decision that he mis-timed and accidentally collected the guys head like so many of the cards we have seen this year...he was in an off side position, both his height and where he was attacking, he was always going to be hitting high on the opposition

Risk vs reward, which in that case, risk far outweighed the reward...but, he got lucky, lucky the Irish player ducked his head when he did, meaning nothing came of it.

I like him as a player, think he brings alot to the table, but he has cost us before, and it doesnt appear he has learnt a great deal, there is a fine line between controlled aggression and stupidity, he seems to be treading with a wide stance.

I hope he doesnt do it again, or worse still, cost us again.

I'm not sure if there is much of a duck, it just looks like Scott's contact makes his head fold in.
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I think there is some head contact before hitting the shoulder, but I think most dangerous part is how it ends up being like a crusher tackle. You can see Scott's weight on top of O'Mahony's head/neck which jams his head in. Not surprised when O'Mahony gets up he clutches the back of his neck a couple of times.

Add in the no arms, offside and coming from the side, and it's just all round silly.

as i said before, i'd be pretty annoyed if someone did that to us

what. a. Dumb fluffybunny.

surely we have someone young and up and coming to replace Vaa'i...what does Tuipulotu bring to the table when we're building towards the next world cup

@Kiwiwomble The young up and comers are Vaai and Lord. Pari Pari is probably another (injured).

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble The young up and comers are Vaai and Lord. Pari Pari is probably another (injured).

The Canterbury lock Gallagher looked good from what I saw of him.

Otherwise, it's probably Dickson from the Māori. SB back to lock then.

@KiwiMurph they've shown theyer going to esy the youngs guys in so why not identify the next young guys, just dont see the logic in replacing a youngs guys with an "old" one

So we are past the time in which Scott Barrett could be cited?

@Kiwiwomble "Experience".

@Frank Yes.

@Stargazer said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble "Experience".

....but we didn;t feel we needed that spot to be filled with much experience before

Tuipulotu is 29. The next 2-3 years should be prime for a tight five player

If you think someone else is better that makes sense.

Claiming we need a younger player because we're building for the RWC is silly

@Frank said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kiwiwomble The young up and comers are Vaai and Lord. Pari Pari is probably another (injured).

The Canterbury lock Gallagher looks good in what what I saw of him.

He's 20 years old. I'm a fan but let's not rush him in too early. He could be a great candidate for the All Black XV at the end of the year.

I'm not a huge fan of Tuipulotu as an AB but I can see the logic in this situation where you are coming in halfway through test week 2 of a 3 match series.

From Stuff: (I have corrected their typo).

Highlanders Josh Dickson and Shannon Frizell are training with the All Blacks but are not part of the official squad.

@Bovidae Hmmm that suggests Ioane's foot might still be a problem

the other thing to consider, is the form of players returning from Japan...

@Steven-Harris interviewed Pat after his club game on Saturday, reckons he is in great shape, but, is that great shape for AB rugby?

I hope he pans out, he has all the physical attributes to be a world class lock.

@Daffy-Jaffy Bugger!

So Retallick/Barrett with Lord on the bench?

@Duluth Lord was ruled out a few days after squad naming wasnt he?

@taniwharugby

Hard to keep up with the injuries..

Ok so Patrick straight onto the bench

3 weeks ago we picked 5 locks, now we have 2, after 1 game. That's quite the attrition rate.

One assumes Patty T will come straight on to the bench. God help us if one of the starters goes down early.

@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

So Retallick/Barrett with Lord on the bench?

Lord is out for year. Guess it means Barrett to lock, Akira to 6?

@KiwiMurph I think Gallagher is a good candidate for the All Blacks XV, later in the year.

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Far out I'm glad we control World Rugby as that deserves a citing

The ghost of Paddy O’Brien lives on!

@Dan54 said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

So Retallick/Barrett with Lord on the bench?

Lord is out for year. Guess it means Barrett to lock, Akira to 6?

really? i'd missed it was that serious

I’d bring one of the Maori locks in for cover. Both of them acquitted themselves pretty well in that first tour match.

Quinten Strange won't be far away.

Fozzie has picked him previously, he got injured before getting a game.

@Duluth said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Bovidae Hmmm that suggests Ioane's foot might still be a problem

It could just be to make up numbers for training, and the location.

Tuipulotu was with the ABs in Auckland so they (the coaches) will know if he is ready to be a reserve.

@Chris-B said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:

Quinten Strange won't be far away.

Fozzie has picked him previously, he got injured before getting a game.

Never seen him stand out at Super level. Seems hyped.

My take is that if Patty T gets through training and demonstrates he has the fitness then he’s on the bench. Dickson is match fit ready to go if he’s not.

Frizell is for training purposes only as they’ll need a blindside to run against the starters with Barrett moving to lock for training and PGS or Papali’i will run with the starters at 6. All assuming Ioane is not doing full contact training

@Frank You're picking Gallagher above, but once Quinten was fit again for the Crusaders, Razor picked him as the bench lock for the Super final.

Under the 12-day World Rugby stand down protocols, Whitelock is now expected to be unavailable for the remainder of the series.