with all due respect @Dan54 you are talking absolute shit and you can jam your "so called supporters" and your made-up argument about people here don't know the opposition.
It appears you consider yourself just so much more enlightened than the rest of us, but really you are just sanctimonious. You know what? stay and watch your Div 2 club play, revel in just how grounded and grass roots you are.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in.
I think the issue is not the losses so much, it's the manner of the losses/performances.
If you look at things the ABs can control, things like their attacking shape, their defensive system, their kicking game, there are real problems there - the same problems that came up last year.
There's almost no sign of progress or change being made with the ABs.
Despite 12 months of superior form from Samisoni the likes of Codie Taylor are nailed on starters etc.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Can you persuade me by giving examples of coaches who got better after more than a dozen years on the job? They are few and far between. Even great coaches tend to fade with age, rather than get better, which is also contrary to the "you get better with experience" line.
Sir Graham. Good Auckland Coach, went OK at Wales, learned a massive amount as Lions coach and became a supreme coach for the ABs for 8 years.
With plenty of lessons in those first 4 years - rotation, pressure, gameplan, midfield. Things in my view started to come right around late 08, even if we had tough losses in 09, but you could see what was happening and the direction.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
but you could see what was happening and the direction.
And that seems to be the issue with us right now, you cant see where they are going, or what they are changing to achieve it, whatever 'it' is.
I mean we have made zero progress on the rush defence in what, 5 years? Why have we not tried to employ it, given our defence in that same period has gotten worse.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Sir Graham. Good Auckland Coach, went OK at Wales, learned a massive amount as Lions coach and became a supreme coach for the ABs for 8 years.
"Good" Auckland coach? He won the NPC four years in a row, then went on to win the Super Rugby title two years in a row. You are grossly understating his coaching at the time. He was a f**cking great coach and should have been straight to the ABs.
Then he left for Wales, and proceeded to immediately turn them around. They had eleven straight victories and was titled "The Great Redeemer".
He took a while to readjust to the ABs, but losing one semi-final did not at any time make him a bad coach. He had a record for his first four years that Foster would kill for.
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Sir Graham. Good Auckland Coach, went OK at Wales, learned a massive amount as Lions coach and became a supreme coach for the ABs for 8 years.
"Good" Auckland coach? He won the NPC four years in a row, then went on to win the Super Rugby title two years in a row. You are grossly understating his coaching at the time. He was a f**cking great coach and should have been straight to the ABs.
Then he left for Wales, and proceeded to immediately turn them around. They had eleven straight victories and was titled "The Great Redeemer".
He took a while to readjust to the ABs, but losing one semi-final did not at any time make him a bad coach. He had a record for his first four years that Foster would kill for.
That's why I don't remember that game.
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Frank Agree for some teachers but teachers involved in research (usually higher education) can get better. I suppose it is similar to going to a doctor/dentist who was trained 30 years ago and hasn't added any strings to his bow since.
You jest surely? Research makes you better in the classroom? My mate was ambitious and did his Masters in Education. What a waste of time that was!
The only advantage that doing the post-grad stuff does is what I said -- taking the time to do something different. That refreshes you just because it is something different. I took some time out a few years back, and just being out of the classroom for a while made me better when I returned.
A lot of coaches would be better off if they simply took a sabbatical every eight years or so.
I do think that coaching overseas is a massive help. It makes coaches see the game differently, and exposes them to new ways.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
That's why I don't remember that game.
I've only ever been told about it, so details are very hazy to me.
Happy to see Nepo, Whitelock, Jordan and Havili back in the starting lineup. Like the bench too.
No Sami T? Why the persistence with Taylor?
Changes pretty much as expected otherwise though
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Duluth Havili, RTS...
Has either played 13? I don't think RTS has. DH is a poor defender at 12, will be worse our wider.
JB?
ah, hi, yeah look i know we have spent a few days gnashing on a poor AB performance (and focusing on Origin) but
why didn't someone tell me ST was injured?
I wonder if Samisoni is injured.
RTS in the 23 jersey is an upgrade on Ennor in the 23 jersey from test 1.
Poor old Hoskins can't get a run.
Well didn't see RTS , Akira or even Coles on bench, but makes for intersting team, although have liked what Tipaea has done think maybe Havili is good pick, another kicking option, and not having LF there is one less.
Bring it on and go well boys
Oh fuck off. I've officially joined the death to Foster camp now.
Taylor has been shite, Sami has to have Covid/injury, right?
Scooter is not a 6 and despite the hype over his last two matches he's topping the missed tackles and turnovers conceded for the team.
On the same show yesterday on Senz that gave the rumour about joe joining the Allblacks coaching ,
Also Mentioned there will be a massive debut off the bench this week.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
has JB...empty cupboard was what I was leaning at....stay safe Rieko.
I would go for Jordie. He hasn't played 13 for a few seasons but he's started 8 SR games there
Asking to much of RTS on debut & Havili is still learning 12
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Kirwan has JB...empty cupboard was what I was leaning at....stay safe Rieko.
Jordie played centre for both Canterbury and has for the Canes
Touchwood but Ioane is pretty durable so I don’t think we are replacing him unless we are well and truly up (als Test 1). And congrats to the young fella for racking up 50 tests.
Cue post match interview with Ardie: "I didn't know Ireland had never won a series in New Zealand..."
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
All Blacks by 20 (assuming no red cards.. or the same amount of red cards to both sides)
That was my pick last week too 
For all the talk about New Zealand fans are very knowledgeable, I just checked out the comments section on Facebook.
so, yep, change at tighthead absolutely called for.
No change at hooker bar getting rid of our best one is, interesting (again i assume he's hurt or sick)
Whitelock in a no brainer
The like SB at 6 so him going back there a no brainer
Savea is the best player in the world so him staying a no brainer
It was obvious to everyone that the reason we lost was QT played fucking shit so getting DH back in a no brainer
Jordan had to play, no brainer.
Bench picks itself given the above selections, except RTS which is, interesting to say the least
we are nothing if not predictable.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in.
I think the issue is not the losses so much, it's the manner of the losses/performances.
If you look at things the ABs can control, things like their attacking shape, their defensive system, their kicking game, there are real problems there - the same problems that came up last year.
There's almost no sign of progress or change being made with the ABs.
Despite 12 months of superior form from Samisoni the likes of Codie Taylor are nailed on starters etc.
Yep and that is more a sensible post, and not against them mate, just the rantings of many on here, and not looking at other good teams. , and their strengths. Irish are I still say a bloody good rugby team, and do think the NH do tend to be able to change game plans better than us, , and I think is helped by their club and 6N comps wheer they play such a variety of teams and styles week in and out. I also think we seeing the loss of SA from super starting to show.
Why start Nepo? It's not like our scrum creaks against Ireland with that second row pushing. And Nepo offers less than nothing around the ground.
Hooker with the most impact can't get into the 23.
Most ineffective blindside flanker to start.
Greatest second half impact backrower starts.
Sotutu must have a broken leg.
At least Havili is there to straighten the line...
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
so, yep, change at tighthead absolutely called for.
No change at hooker bar getting rid of our best one is, interesting (again i assume he's hurt or sick)
Whitelock in a no brainer
The like SB at 6 so him going back there a no brainer
Savea is the best player in the world so him staying a no brainer
It was obvious to everyone that the reason we lost was QT played fucking shit so getting DH back in a no brainer
Jordan had to play, no brainer.Bench picks itself given the above selections, except RTS which is, interesting to say the least
we are nothing if not predictable.
I agree with Havili as he offers us versatily at 12 that perhaps Tupaea doesn't offer (and I a Tupaea fan), I too wonder if ST is injured or something(or is it scrumming?), though maybe we mssied something. I a little surprised that RTS is ahead of Goodhue in reserves, but again not sure how he has recovered from covid, some take a bit of getting over it.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
I wonder if Samisoni is injured.
That can be the only reason he isn't in the 23, or rightfully starting. Otherwise - WTF!!!
I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.
ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
The cards had a huge impact. A poor All Blacks side that played a bit shit tired them out and won by 23 in the first Test
Keep 15 on the field and keep the game moving
Agree.
Death, taxes, there will be cards this test…
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:
Why start Nepo? It's not like our scrum creaks against Ireland with that second row pushing. And Nepo offers less than nothing around the ground.
I am happy that Ofa has paid for his terrible performance. It goes without saying that it would be much better if we had a better alternative than Nepo.
