All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#306

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

you should get down to club rugby and stand on sidelines in rain etc, gives you appreciation of what rugby is in real world.

lol fuck off

no nerve touched, i just wonder why people like you even come here?

Because I enjoy the sensible discussion about rugby when it's here. And although I not very good at getting across what I want and may seem harsh and everything , but I love the game and generally like talking to rugby people.
Mind you I will add of all the people who I know from rugby etc I am probably only one dumb enough to come into these forums lol, so perhaps that says something huh?

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#307

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

and coached
and served on the committee for a decade

but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

again I say who ever said that about you? As I say abit defensive there sunshine. lol
Seems I said I don't like the idea that we don't give due respect and kudos to Ireland (and othet teams) and that got you upset etc, so with all due respect to you if that upsets you I think it says more about you than me. I will just carry on just the same thanks.

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#309

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 Mariner4Life's username is based on the club he played for ...

Your "only real rugby fan" act is getting rather tired.

and coached
and served on the committee for a decade

but yeah, just a TV guy with no clue.

Must be the impression you give 🙂

no, that impression of being a bombastic know-it-all but with little clue is actually real, but not because i have no clubland links

But someone who can only answer any criticism with insults , and not even at you , but as you were mate.

No Quarter
No Quarter4 years ago
#310

@Duluth I'm with you in that I think our players are too good for Ireland at home, despite our obvious issues under Foster. The fact Ireland only managed to score 23 points and beat us by 11 despite our red card and two yellows speaks volumes really, they just don't have enough points in them if we keep 15 players on the field.

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#311

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.

I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.

I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.

Sometimes the big games need the big call 😉

Interesting thing RTS was saying in an interview last week when discussing how hard he was finding game, he said in league he made probably 2 tackles a agme and finding extra work in union bloody tiring, as I never watch league, I was surprised.

taniwharugby
taniwharugby4 years ago
#313

@Duluth I think we will lose, won't be surprised if we win, but have never bet against the ABs, and don't intend starting....

ACT Crusader
ACT Crusader4 years ago
#314

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@kev said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I really like the RTS call. It’s a big game and he won’t be overawed. He has a bit of class to him but is a hard worker on both sides of the ball.

ABs by 8 and Coles to score the game sealing try.

If you watched the Warriors games you will see that Roger often made mistakes - and got pushed off in tackles. He has been the same with the Blues. So great attacking but has some issues. In such a big game it’s a big call.

I can (sadly) report that I watched every single one of RTS’s Warriors games. Yes I am tragic.

I think he reads the play well and is actually a better tackler when he goes low which is better for rugby as a 2nd 5 than a league fullback.

I’m interested in what the strategy is for his injection into the match. Barring injuries, when do they want him to come on.

Sometimes the big games need the big call 😉

Interesting thing RTS was saying in an interview last week when discussing how hard he was finding game, he said in league he made probably 2 tackles a agme and finding extra work in union bloody tiring, as I never watch league, I was surprised.

League fullbacks don’t make a lot of tackles because they are rarely in the line. The tackles they make are often scrambling.

Take last nights Origin, the two fullbacks had phenomenal games but the Qld fullback, Ponga who got player of the match only made 2 tackles and Tedesco is more of a physical style fullback made 5 tackles. That is in a game that had 600+ tackles made and about 100 missed tackles.

Chester Draws
Chester Draws4 years ago
#315

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Duluth I'm with you in that I think our players are too good for Ireland at home, despite our obvious issues under Foster. The fact Ireland only managed to score 23 points and beat us by 11 despite our red card and two yellows speaks volumes really, they just don't have enough points in them if we keep 15 players on the field.

Almost all their points were scored when they had the same number of men as us. (They had a card too.)

But we won't be beaten because they score a lot. We will be beaten by not scoring many ourselves. That's how Ireland have won all the other times.

I'm expecting them to be far less adventurous. They literally gave us the ball a lot in the first test, costing them pretty much the margin of victory. They have had a good look at our attack, and with QT and ST out it is even less penetrative than before, and won't be scared of holding on.

It all comes down to whether the ABs can hold their passes under pressure, and how much ball they kick away. If the passes stick and they give up the kick-and-hope game, the men in black will win comfortably. If they get the dropsies, and if they kick away most of the possession once they haven't made an immediate break-through, then they will lose.

Edit: I don't make hard predictions with Foster's teams. I learned many, many years ago that it is the way to heartache. They play well or dreadfully, apparently at random.

taniwharugby
taniwharugby4 years ago
#316

@Chester-Draws be good not to give up points so early again too.

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#317

@Frank said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

Taukei’aho didn't have the impact in the Ireland tests that he had last year. I can also understand them not starting Coles, who hasn't played much at all, this year. So in that light, starting Taylor makes a lot of sense. I don't think he's been as bad as people are posting here.

Yep almost seems some players are more effective against super defences etc huh Star?

You clearly didn't pay any attention to Taylor or Sami' in the last two games (or in all the games last year for that matter). I can therefore only conclude you aren't you aren't a true rugby man.

Mate, I only trying to work out why he not there, and I thinking only reason is there maybe concern with some part of his game?

taniwharugby
taniwharugby4 years ago
#320

@Dan54 we gave up points early in the 1st test too didn't we?

Bovidae
Bovidae4 years ago
#321

@taniwharugby Yes. The ABs need to show intent and start strongly for once in this series.

Machpants4 years ago
#324

Apparently Foster said in an interview after the game ‘we haven’t become a bad team overnight’ Yeah it’s taken the couple of years with you in charge!

Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble4 years ago
#325

@Machpants the lack of self awareness when people say things like this is always funny

taniwharugby
taniwharugby4 years ago
#326

@Bovidae tbf I guess we have never been quick out of the blocks, which was fine when we had the quality we had years ago, when no one could really keep up with us in the final quarter.

Machpants4 years ago
#327

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants the lack of self awareness when people say things like this is always funny

Yeah it would be more correct after two awful performances last year, after the win in the first Irish test to say ‘We haven’t become a great team overnight!’ Yup that’s why we are ranked 4th

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#328

@Tim said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

  1. Andrew Porter (Leinster/UCD) 45 caps
  2. Dan Sheehan (Leinster/Lansdowne) 9 caps
  3. Tadhg Furlong (Leinster/Clontarf) 59 caps
  4. Tadhg Beirne (Munster/Lansdowne) 32 caps
  5. James Ryan (Leinster/UCD) 45 caps
  6. Peter O'Mahony (Munster/Cork Constitution) 86 caps
  7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster/UCD) 42 caps
  8. Caelan Doris (Leinster/St Mary's College) 19 caps
  9. Jamison Gibson Park (Leinster) 19 caps
  10. Johnny Sexton (Leinster/St Mary's College) 107 caps CAPTAIN
  11. James Lowe (Leinster) 14 caps
  12. Bundee Aki (Connacht/Galwegians) 39 caps
  13. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster/Buccaneers) 59 caps
  14. Mack Hansen (Connacht) 5 caps
  15. Hugo Keenan (Leinster/UCD) 22 caps

Reserves:

  1. Rob Herring (Ulster/Ballynahinch) 27 caps
  2. Cian Healy (Leinster/Clontarf) 117 caps
  3. Finlay Bealham (Connacht/Buccaneers) 24 caps
  4. Kieran Treadwell (Ulster/Ballymena) 7 caps
  5. Jack Conan (Leinster/Old Belvedere) 29 caps
  6. Conor Murray (Munster/Garryowen) 98 caps
  7. Joey Carbery (Munster/Clontarf) 34 caps
  8. Keith Earls (Munster/Young Munster) 97 caps

That's a good looking bloody line up too. Is Henshaw as good at 13 as 12?

Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble4 years ago
#329

@Machpants i think they said similar things after the argentinian loss and i was happy to go with it, bit of a blip, ambushed but a hungry pumas side, took our eye of the ball etc....but there are been too many "blips" now

Machpants4 years ago
#330

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants i think they said similar things after the argentinian loss and i was happy to go with it, bit of a blip, ambushed but a hungry pumas side, took our eye of the ball etc....but there are been too many "blips" now

People rubbish the WR rankings, and I think that RWC shouldn’t be weighted as it is, but the decline under Foster is easy to see on that line

Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble4 years ago
#331

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

Machpants4 years ago
#332

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

I agree, I’d love to see how it went with the RWC weighting removed (only added in so there is almost no way a RWC winner not be ranked 1 after the final) as that would be a better indication of actual relative performance.

Dan54
Dan544 years ago
#333

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

And they lost a bit or credibality when Boks remained on top for a year by simply not playing. I think maybe if you need rankings that's what we got, that's as good as anything. Until such time as we get a world league or something they will stay same. And didn't realise there was WC winner weighting.

Machpants4 years ago
#334

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

And they lost a bit or credibality when Boks remained on top for a year by simply not playing. I think maybe if you need rankings that's what we got, that's as good as anything. Until such time as we get a world league or something they will stay same. And didn't realise there was WC winner weighting

It is not just for the winner, all games in the RWC are worth double points, plus and minus

mariner4life
mariner4life4 years ago
#336

so, have we worked out of Samisoni is injured or not?

Machpants4 years ago
#338

@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

so, have we worked out of Samisoni is injured or not?

Obviously that was the first question asked by our tenacious rugby press…

…oh no.

But the awesome media machine of NZR that just loves to keep us informed with the most up to the minute info has released that…

…naaaah

Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble4 years ago
#339

@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

And they lost a bit or credibality when Boks remained on top for a year by simply not playing. I think maybe if you need rankings that's what we got, that's as good as anything. Until such time as we get a world league or something they will stay same. And didn't realise there was WC winner weighting

It is not just for the winner, all games in the RWC are worth double points, plus and minus

yeah, so the further you go in the comp the more "extra" point you get

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

And they lost a bit or credibality when Boks remained on top for a year by simply not playing. I think maybe if you need rankings that's what we got, that's as good as anything. Until such time as we get a world league or something they will stay same. And didn't realise there was WC winner weighting.

i wasn't too worried about the SA staying top thing, thats just how far they were ahead, largely due to the RWC extra points but them is the rules, whilst i believe we were easily the top team from 2011 through 2015....the gap we had over the other teams was huge due to the back to back RWC's so we've benefited from it too, im also pretty forgiving with anything COVID fucked up, its righting itself pretty quickly

Crucial
Crucial4 years ago
#340

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

It's quite possible after this weekend that we end up back at number 2 (if we win of course). The top places are very close together points wise and there could be a big shuffle. Oz can drop as low as 7 I think.

nostrildamus
nostrildamus4 years ago
#341

@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

I will add that last night it occured to me what I finding most disconcerting about the position we find ourselves in (or ABs) and the reaction on rugby forums. We are tied in a test series and 4th on the rankings in world rugby, and while being a bit disppointed, not as disappointed as maybe the reaction on forums by so called AB supporters, there seems almost no credit given to Ireland for winning 2nd test, only tearing clothes and screaming about how poor ABs were, want to know something Irish were bloody good and made us look poor, and we 4th on rankings, prehaps French (in my opinion clearly best team), Ireland , and Boks (though I feel some of theirs is residual points from year off) just deserve to be in the positions they are in. When I was thinking of it I was thinking how much as a rugby nation we used to enjoy and celebrate bloody good teams and players, 71 Lions tour the whole of NZ knew all the Lion's players, and while wanting ABs to win would seemingly enjoy the Edwards, Johns, Gibson ete, etc skils, same as Wallabies when they had the likes of Ella, Campese, Eales etc, why has it in internet days changed where we can't give the likes of Doris, Sexton etc credit for being good players? I an starting to understand why maybe AB supporters are disliked by others at times.
Ok my rant over, but I think it came to me when I wondered why I was disappointed to miss club rugby this weekend while going to test, and that's one thing that came to mind, we don't think it our right to win at the club etc.

Because Sexton is a mouthy git* and Doris wears sensible shoes.**
Actually you make good points, I wonder if it is because fans don't mix like they used to (so many at home watching from tv with their rewind and slow frame buttons).
Ireland played well, they have good players (I still think there are some limitations with the midfield and outer backs (oh I like the Irish 15) but if the ABs can't capitalise on these weaknesses something is wrong (maybe I am).
*yet I like Coles so I am a hypocrite.
**not true, sorry Caelan.

Kiwiwomble
Kiwiwomble4 years ago
#342

@Crucial said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Ireland - series decider:

@Machpants yeah, theyve always made some sense to me, i think people look at the position and put a lot more weighting on that than the actual score, people claiming to be infinitely better than another team thats only fractions of a point off them

It's quite possible after this weekend that we end up back at number 2 (if we win of course). The top places are very close together points wise and there could be a big shuffle. Oz can drop as low as 7 I think.

which i guess makes sense with the results we've seen over the last year, top 6 are all pretty close compared to the past