@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
IIRC our win ratio for the next 5 years plummeted to below 70% when it was nearly 100% under Buck.
Clearly, being ruthless on players worked out well back then.
Bryce Rope (1983 — 1984) 9 1 2 12 75
Bob Duff (1972 — 1973) 6 1 1 8 75
John Hart (1996 — 1999) 31 1 9 41 76
Jack Gleeson (1977 — 1978) 10 0 3 13 77
Brian Lochore (1985 — 1987) 14 1 3 18 78
Neil McPhail (1961, 1963 — 1965) 16 2 2 20 80
John Mitchell (2002 — 2003) 23 1 4 28 82
Peter Burke (1981 — 1982) 9 0 2 11 82
Graham Henry (2004 — 2011) 88 0 15 103 85
Alex Wyllie (1988 — 1991) 25 1 3 29 86
Steve Hansen (2012 — 2019) 93 4 10 107 87
Fred Allen (1966 — 1968) 14 0 0 14 100
Ron Bush (1962) 2 0 0 2 100
Dick Everest (1957) 2 0 0 2 100
Len Clode (1951) 3 0 0 3 100
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
IIRC our win ratio for the next 5 years plummeted to below 70% when it was nearly 100% under Buck.
Clearly, being ruthless on players worked out well back then.
Why was Buck the scapegoat?
Everyone knows all about “Bring back Buck” but why was it him and no one else ?
Henry and Hansen's records really stand out given the number of games. Absolutely incredible success during the professional era. Not saying we can't improve but we probably have to accept we are unlikely to see win percentages like that again over so many matches.
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
IIRC our win ratio for the next 5 years plummeted to below 70% when it was nearly 100% under Buck.
Clearly, being ruthless on players worked out well back then.
Why was Buck the scapegoat?
Everyone knows all about “Bring back Buck” but why was it him and no one else ?
Million Dollar Question
@No-Quarter said in Foster's Firsts.:
Henry and Hansen's records really stand out given the number of games. Absolutely incredible success during the professional era. Not saying we can't improve but we probably have to accept we are unlikely to see win percentages like that again over so many matches.
Yeah no way little old NZ is getting back to that dominance, but the way that work & excellence has been lost so fast with the weak NZR unable to move on beyond those two coaches and protégée is terrible
@No-Quarter said in Foster's Firsts.:
Henry and Hansen's records really stand out given the number of games. Absolutely incredible success during the professional era. Not saying we can't improve but we probably have to accept we are unlikely to see win percentages like that again over so many matches.
Golden generation too. How many (in their positions) GOATs were there?
If you look at the 2015 squad a couple nailed on and probably another 9 that would be in the conversation.
@dogmeat said in Foster's Firsts.:
If you look at the 2015 squad a couple nailed on and probably another 9 that would be in the conversation.
The 12 and 8 went ok too
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster's Firsts.:
@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
IIRC our win ratio for the next 5 years plummeted to below 70% when it was nearly 100% under Buck.
Clearly, being ruthless on players worked out well back then.
Why was Buck the scapegoat?
Everyone knows all about “Bring back Buck” but why was it him and no one else ?
There were rumblings about him getting the arse before that because Zinzan Brooke had more hype than even Ethan Blackadder at the time and Buck was getting long in the tooth.
@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
Bryce Rope (1983 — 1984) 9 1 2 12 75
Bob Duff (1972 — 1973) 6 1 1 8 75
John Hart (1996 — 1999) 31 1 9 41 76
Jack Gleeson (1977 — 1978) 10 0 3 13 77
Brian Lochore (1985 — 1987) 14 1 3 18 78
Neil McPhail (1961, 1963 — 1965) 16 2 2 20 80
John Mitchell (2002 — 2003) 23 1 4 28 82
Peter Burke (1981 — 1982) 9 0 2 11 82
Graham Henry (2004 — 2011) 88 0 15 103 85
Alex Wyllie (1988 — 1991) 25 1 3 29 86
Steve Hansen (2012 — 2019) 93 4 10 107 87
Fred Allen (1966 — 1968) 14 0 0 14 100
Ron Bush (1962) 2 0 0 2 100
Dick Everest (1957) 2 0 0 2 100
Len Clode (1951) 3 0 0 3 100
Why so much hate for John Mitchell, I would take 82% WR at the moment.
@Donsteppa said in Foster's Firsts.:
That this is even a possible headline on the Stuff front page:
Well they are leading the pool aren't they? Can only beat what is in front of you..
@dogmeat said in Foster's Firsts.:
Much like Vodanovich following Allen...
Or much like that 1970's Coaching-Jesus that was Bob Duff taking over from Vodanovich...
The match against Italy is Fozzie's last chance to get a record with the ABs, maybe his subconcious mind will be leading him towards a loss.
11 days later
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
At RWCs
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
we get to say it...its mean when you say it, stick to chat about eddie 
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
Three records in one night? What's not to like.
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
Well done on scraping past a 14-strong Portugal, you rampant well-disciplined Aussie conquistadors!
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
Well done on scraping past a 14-strong Portugal, you rampant well-disciplined Aussie conquistadors!
Considering we did it with 13 at one point, I'll take that 
Is Foster the first coach to let one of his team get thier leg sliced open?
First AB coach to keep Uruguay scoreless!
He's racking up these firsts.
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@NTA said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
Hence my well disciplined comment ..
100% record!
I'd say "100% against South American opposition" but... well...
Well done on scraping past a 14-strong Portugal, you rampant well-disciplined Aussie conquistadors!
Considering we did it with 13 at one point, I'll take that
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky said in Foster's Firsts.:
ABs’ first win against Uruguay.
first AB coach NOT to lose to Uruguay :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
Every abs coach has not lost to Uruguay
@Machpants all right smarty pants
*played a game and not lost
@chimoaus said in Foster's Firsts.:
First time All Blacks have been underdogs in a QF.
Fair call ...
87 Scotland
91 Canada
95 Scotland
99 err Scotland ... again
03 Seffrica
07 don't recall
11 Argentina
15 France
19 don't recall Ireland (getting muxed ip with semi)
@Catogrande said in Foster's Firsts.:
First time NZ have not topped their group - or have I boobooed?
Has any team ever been unbeaten in their pool and still finished second in it?
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Catogrande said in Foster's Firsts.:
First time NZ have not topped their group - or have I boobooed?
Has any team ever been unbeaten in their pool and still finished second in it?
No but teams have lost a game and still finished top
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Catogrande said in Foster's Firsts.:
First time NZ have not topped their group - or have I boobooed?
Has any team ever been unbeaten in their pool and still finished second in it?
I reckon Scotland 87.
@booboo said in Foster's Firsts.:
@nostrildamus said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Catogrande said in Foster's Firsts.:
First time NZ have not topped their group - or have I boobooed?
Has any team ever been unbeaten in their pool and still finished second in it?
I reckon Scotland 87.
Confirmed
